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#417105 - 02/21/16 07:24 AM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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#417144 - 02/21/16 12:29 PM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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A great thread. Thanks for the link. How do you compare your Sounddock 10 with the KMC-3? I've been shopping for either the Exos 9 or the KMC-3. Now that you mentioned the KMC-3, I would have to bid against other members on eBay! LOL I like the small footprint of the KMC-3, but 8 D batteries would be a deal breaker and kind of defeat the purpose of its own portability. One of my favorite reviewers is Oluv, a private enthusiast from Vienna who compares a lot of speakers. Here he compares the AIWA against the much smaller Klipsch KMC-3, which I own and have already recommended here. It is a bit weaker than the AIWA, but in reference to its size it is amazingly similar. https://youtu.be/EaFtQNoYeKgI tested them side by side yesterday in my apartment. Consider that the KMC-3 only weighs 3.5 kg, the Sounddock 10 weighs 8.4 kg, almost as heavy as a HK Nano 300. Given that difference in weight and the smaller shape, the amount of deep bass coming out of the KMC-3 is surprising. Overall, it can get really loud for a middle-sized living room, but the Sounddock 10 gets unbearably loud at maximum when standing in the same middle-sized room. I'd say subjectively twice as loud. I also once compared the Sounddock 10 with a Bang &Olufsen Beoplay A8, which is rated 210 Watts RMS in total. The Sounddock 10 was considerably louder than the Beoplay and had a little more vibrating bass, while the Beoplay had a more precise sound with more stereo. If you took the 230 Watts of the HK Nano 300 as representative of how "loud" it is in terms of human perception, the effective wattage I would give these different systems would be HK Nano 300: 230 W Bose Sounddock 10: 180 W Beoplay A8: 140 W Klipsch KMC-3: 90 W Beolit 12 and Bose Sounddock portable: 60 W Bose Soundlink III: 30 W This is a subjective ranking based on tests I've done comparing two or more of these systems directly in our home over time. Even if the Sounddock 10 has massive bass for a one-piece home system, it has audibly less bass than the Nano 300 (no wonder, it's a 6.5 inch subwoofer against a 8 inch), but stronger highs. Its weak point is the limited stereo width. Here's a pic of a test from last year (I don't own all of these  ... 
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#421774 - 05/29/16 07:06 AM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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#423741 - 07/23/16 07:52 AM
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Edited by Dnj (07/23/16 08:01 AM)
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#423884 - 07/26/16 07:24 AM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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I have the IK Multimedia iLoud speaker, and an older Bose Soundlink II speaker, so I did some tests with them both last night. I had used the iLoud (with my keyboard) at modest-volume, mostly acoustic jam sessions and it performed well, but I had never compared them. Here are my observations. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iloud/When I connected an iPhone and played some tunes to the speakers, the iLoud was very noticeably louder, and clearer than the Bose Sounlink II. The iLoud was also noticeably better in mids/highs than the Bose, to my ears. iLoud could get much louder and no distortion heard even at very loud volumes. Then I connected both to my Tyros5. Again, I was (pleasantly) surprised with how loud and clear the iLoud was, compared to the Bose. I think the iLoud is rated 40W RMS, while the Bose (I read somewhere) is 20W. The iLoud would definitely be loud enough for small-room gigs and moderate-volume jams. It could not compete with live drums, guitar amps, etc., but for modest jams, it has worked OK for me. Not for bass-heavy sounds, but for pianos, drawbar organs, or the 'arranger' turned on, all sound quite good, just can't expect a lot of thumping bass out of 3" woofers on the iLoud. Loud and clear and very good-sounding overall, but bass-drum / bass guitar sounds will be thin compared to bigger speakers. The Bose, by itself (when not compared to something else) is a nice sounding speaker; it just doesn't get all that loud, and it's not as clear on highs as the iLoud. If I could add even a very small subwoofer to the iLoud, I'll bet it would make a great sounding little system. . . . I wonder if the Beolit 15 would be like an iLoud-on-steroids, i.e. louder and more bass, but still clear and crisp (I hope)? -Jim
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#423885 - 07/26/16 07:31 AM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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#423891 - 07/26/16 01:18 PM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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I have the IK Multimedia iLoud speaker, and an older Bose Soundlink II speaker, so I did some tests with them both last night. I had used the iLoud (with my keyboard) at modest-volume, mostly acoustic jam sessions and it performed well, but I had never compared them. Here are my observations. http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/iloud/When I connected an iPhone and played some tunes to the speakers, the iLoud was very noticeably louder, and clearer than the Bose Sounlink II. The iLoud was also noticeably better in mids/highs than the Bose, to my ears. iLoud could get much louder and no distortion heard even at very loud volumes. Then I connected both to my Tyros5. Again, I was (pleasantly) surprised with how loud and clear the iLoud was, compared to the Bose. I think the iLoud is rated 40W RMS, while the Bose (I read somewhere) is 20W. The iLoud would definitely be loud enough for small-room gigs and moderate-volume jams. It could not compete with live drums, guitar amps, etc., but for modest jams, it has worked OK for me. Not for bass-heavy sounds, but for pianos, drawbar organs, or the 'arranger' turned on, all sound quite good, just can't expect a lot of thumping bass out of 3" woofers on the iLoud. Loud and clear and very good-sounding overall, but bass-drum / bass guitar sounds will be thin compared to bigger speakers. The Bose, by itself (when not compared to something else) is a nice sounding speaker; it just doesn't get all that loud, and it's not as clear on highs as the iLoud. If I could add even a very small subwoofer to the iLoud, I'll bet it would make a great sounding little system. . . . I wonder if the Beolit 15 would be like an iLoud-on-steroids, i.e. louder and more bass, but still clear and crisp (I hope)? -Jim I owned the Bose Soundlink III and also the Soundlink Air (which is identical to Sounddock portable soundwise). The difference in volume is massive, the Soundlink I/II/III is much lower in volume. If the iLoud is much louder than the Soundlink II, I don't think the Beolit 15 would beat it in volume, but surely in deep bass frequencies. The Beolit 15 is not recommendable if you need high volume. I'm still hesitating whether to return it to Amazon or not. Genelec 8010 and Klipsch KMC-3 are clearly louder.
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#423895 - 07/26/16 02:52 PM
Re: My next mini PA system?
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The switcher website is quite slow at the moment; don't forget to press the green Play button after clicking on the respective track under 'maximum volume'.
I just compared iLoud and Beolit 15. - The iLoud sometimes sounds terrible at maximum volume there, completely distorted, depending on the track selected. The Beolit 15 is just a bit less loud, but completely clean. On the other hand, at some tracks I like the iLoud more, as it is more neutrally tuned and has more stereo.
Regarding your other question, differences between Beolit 15 and Beoplay A8 apart from the volume: in terms of frequencies covered, the Beolit 15 is nearly as good as the A8, the bass nearly equally deep, and crisp highs; the mids are a bit underrepresented in case of the Beolit 15, the A8 is a bit more neutrally balanced.
There's one major disadvantage of the Beolit 15: it has very little stereo (some are convinced it is completely mono, but I don't think so). The construction is not designed for real stereo (only one full-range speaker, three tweeters).
The A8 has wonderful stereo, with two woofers and tweeters in a distance of about 50cm / 20 inch.
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