It occurs to me, the real reason to change from one keyboard to another is for the benefit of the performer.

I doubt audiences can tell the subtle differences?

It seems audiences that I play for can tell the difference between PA systems though...sometimes.

Audiences, for me anyway, seem to react more to how I entertain...or volume etc.

I really don't think the audiences I play for...age 40's on up....would know whether I was playing a Yamaha, Korg, Ketron, Casio or whatever.

But I would know the difference....guess that's what counts.

I've found over the years that there are several major factors that come into play in this regard. First and foremost, vocal clarity is of utmost importance. There are so many systems that do not provide this high vocal quality, especially most conventional sound systems that I've owned over the past 5 decades.

Next, showmanship is a key ingredient. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, some of the best, highly trained and skilled musicians I know have been out of work for years. They're often the ones sitting in my and other entertainers audiences. They are all far superior musicians than myself, but they were never an entertainer or showman. Granted, some musicians find work, but most of the the busiest folks I know in the music industry are musician/entertainers/singers.

Vocal ability is a key ingredient to success - no doubt about it. Yep, there are a select few, such as Captain Russ and Deane Peters, that are just musicians and rarely sing, though both have good vocal skills. I'm not sure why they choose not to utilize those skills, but again, in my experience, audiences seem to respond better to someone that provides great vocals to their audiences. Additionally, those vocals also become a form of communications with our audiences, thus allowing more interaction and connection with those sitting or dancing in front of us.

Appearance. Sure, there are some folks that feel they do just fine wearing old, ragged jeans, a wrinkled shirt, and work-boots while performing. Me, I want to look great in front of my audiences, even when performing in a laid back location such as the Florida Keys where shorts and a tee shirt are considered formal attire. I want to look better than the waitstaff and line cooks. And, the perception is that if you look professional, you are professional. I spent thousands of dollars on my performance apparel over the years, and I absolutely love it when I'm ogled by some younger lady in the audience.

Overall sound. There is no question in my mind that the overall sound quality of our arranger keyboards is an important component of our performances. While most audiences wouldn't know the difference between various brands, those subtle differences do provide a higher degree of musical and sound quality that keeps those audiences coming back for more.

Vocal harmonizers. For the most part, this adds a bit to our vocal performances, however, most of the time it's use should be very limited. When you depend heavily upon vocals, such as myself, the key ingredients is crisp, clear vocals coming from the vocal processor - with vocal harmony coming in a distance second.

Lighting is also a key ingredient in any performance. While much of the time, this is beyond our control, subtle accent lights are a great asset. Gimmick lights, such as Bob The Flame can also be a great asset - they draw attention to the entertainer the same as lights that change with the tempo. Essentially, they create an atmosphere, which is a key ingredient.

Don't forget about song selection, which should always be done on the spot - not ahead of time. You must be able to read that audience, then provide the music that you feel will stir their emotions, get them out of their seats and on the dance floor. Play what they want to hear - NOT what you want to play.

Hope this helps,

Gary

What I have just discovered is that until I started playing my Ketron SD7 at gigs my audiences really did not care or notice which keyboard I was playing. But they sure can tell a difference and have often said they prefer the over-all sound of the SD7 to my Tyros 4. I believe what they are hearing and feeling is the huge difference in the rhythm and bass sections in the styles of the SD7. Just sayin'.

Deane

Did I mention that I'm looking forward to the SD40?
The good drum samples and rhythmic arrangements make a noticeable difference, but Ketron also manages to make simple samples (e.g. one-layer trumpet sample) sound very appealing due to the use of naturally sampled vibrato. (That's why I prefer a conventionally sampled Ketron trumpet over a Roland SuperNatural trumpet.)

I believe that most people with decent hearing can notice and superior
sounds and styles that Ketron has. I have a Tyros 5 and since owning
a Ketron SD 7, I play it almost all the time because of the great
sounds that it produces.
PS: The onboard speakers sound really nice and I believe it's due to
the purity of the tone generators in the Ketron. Lloyd

I think in general you can recognise the styles because of sound and arrangements...

Recognising which keyboard is what because of a single sound is near impossible these days...

And while the simple samples of the ketron do sound good, i prefer the yamaha sa2 and Roland sna because of the real time expresion you can archieve with them and the several different articulations they give acces to for a single sound.. But does the single samples of those sounds sound better then Ketrons?

I think that most people DO NOT hear the difference-- -but I am sure they feel the difference. Most do not know what is going on with our equipment, but they react to the excitement; they can feel it. Even if they are only aware that they are dancing better.

There are songs that we all play and the players who have the drive in their vocal, in their setup, and in their instrument are the players that reach people. Yes, a good instrument has a good part in it; however the player’s voice and feel lead the list.

John C.

PS, Example: Vic Damone (spelling?) has one of the best voices in the business; even better than Sinatra. When sings an upbeat songs it falls flat. No feel –No heart- It’s just not there.

Since, at the moment, I’m playing exclusively dining music, Gary’s final point about song selection and reading the audience is the main ingredient for me. I look at their ages and try different tunes that I think they can relate to. Most of the time I’m spot-on, especially with the older crowd. Oh, and when I upgrade arrangers, it’s for my benefit and personal enjoyment. If that spills over to the patrons, so much the better.

Gary hit the high points and really no one really is that aware of the best Sax sound etc. This goes along with Marks post --- It's all about entertainment. Think of the popularity of dueling piano shows. Does anyone care about the piano sounds , no they into the players banter with the audience and having them do some fun sing alongs and funny lyrics. The basic sound has to be high quality and that includes a top notch PA and keyboard but again it's all about entertainment. You have to connect with your audience. I've seen the worst musicians work because they could keep the crowd engaged.
Did anyone go here Victor Borge just play piano even though he was a very good pianist.? He discovered his comedy would outshine his virtouisity and went with it.

Getting back to the original question which I think was more about whether or not the audience can tell the difference between one KB or another, not whether one is a good entertainer or not, unless you are playing a BOTL KB and switch to a TOTL KB I don't think the audience realizes the difference so much, UNLESS you are someone like Don Mason who plays in one place a few nights a week, and have regular customers coming in each week ... All the audience is interested in is how it sounds, and are they going to enjoy it ... let's face facts - there are people basically performing karaoke and entertaining audiences,even in some upscale restaurants, so does the audience REALLY care about the source of the sound ?!? ...
IMHO, a change from one KB to another is more to benefit the performer, whether it be through "better" styles, sounds, ease of operation, whatever, ...BUT, those changes may give the performer more confidence, a better feeling about the performance, and may actually led to a BETTER performance, which in turn will lead to a better experience for the audience ... but as to whether the audience appreciates the difference between one KB and another, I seriously doubt it ..

either you have it or you dont ....its simple... ;-)

You got it right Tony ! As,long as your equipment satisfies you so you can be a better entertainer it really is not a big deal

Free dinner for the first one to tell me what keyboard I used to record this. Hint: it is a Yamaha.
https://app.box.com/s/p5vag4oe1q68pl0xjkxq

You'll have to come to Shreveport for the free dinner.

PSR8000

Canyou tell what keyboard I used..hint...it is a Roland..

PSR-S950 and I'll set the sails as soon as I get the radar fixed, again!

Gary

G-70. Are you buying dinner, too?

Gary

All wrong so far!

Either way, Don, it sounded great! As soon as I get the radar straightened out on the boat, I'll head her in your direction.;)



See ya soon,

Gary

Maybe the answer to the orriginal question is actually quite simple, if you think an instrument change improves your performance, it does matter..... The audience might not know what changed, but they will notice a difference...

For me the differences are quite simple In my country The drums have a great significance
The type of music we play here Is music with a lot of bassdrum and the only keyboard That does the trick is Ketron I tried to work with Other brands and The best response I got from the crowd was with the Ketron sd 1 and my Audya
Korg for example Has a great right hand but on the left hand... it is not so good
I love the sound of Ketron keyboards
About sounds I use samples and also the drums are samples so I need instrument Who sounds good And that is all
At the end of the day it depends on what kind of music you play

The sax gives it away, psr-9000 pro...

(Love your performance)

Don you & yamaha "perfect" Together great song well done!
I know you loved that KB

I started to play out as a duo in 1994 with...
Korg O1/Wfd
Digitech VHM5
Mackie 1202
EV SX300 passive system
EV Powered Sub SX?

People danced... People enjoyed the entertainment.

As long as you create your own "performance package" and play for the people you do best with... you will be successful. The equipment is an important part... The singing quality is important... Being able to connect to your crowd is very important. These are all components for creating an entertainment package.

I use the PSR-S970 because I can access my WAV files on the keyboard and still engage my audience. Being a husband and wife duo, we have a performance package of male and female songs... Live 2 part harmony with duets... Husband and wife banter to add to the connection to other couples in the crowd.

The keyboard can make a difference in how my arrangements sound. I think the audience likes the overall performance package and the way they get it doesn't matter for 95% of them!!

PSR 2000

Do we have a 'Like' button on here?

Come on down Eddie! Dinner is on me!
It was recorded in 2007 on PSR 2000. Not much difference in the way today's Yamahas sound is there?

Like most of our audiences, I don't KNOW and I don't CARE what KB it is, all I know is that it is another great Don Mason performance !!!
And if I could get down to Shreveport I would buy YOU dinner !

Would if I could Don....
Anything you put your fingers on sounds good.
Eddie

Nope, I'm a Korgie now!

no such thing as a "psr" 900 pro. The 9000PRO was not a psr line.

Thats true, technically, but it was even advertised as PSR 9000 pro overhere in Holland, and everyone called it the PSR 9000 pro.. still do..




But anyway, i am quite sure that same sax sample was in the "9000 pro" which still holds the title my favorite Yamaha arranger of the pre tyros5 era...

It was also advertised by Yamaha as the PSR-9000 Pro here as well. http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...boards/psr9000/

Gary

a classic for sure....nice design...great keybed... excellent sounds
a bit on the heavy side....they should bring it back redesigned, lighter, slimmer & technically updated with a Tilt screen in a 61/76 version would be a hit for sure.Call it TYROS 6 PRO

I think that same sax sample, Growl, has been in all PSRs for a long time.

why mess with perfection?..just sayin'

Perfection? That's stretching a little. It is a useful sound though, no doubt. They screwed it up some in recent models, but it is still in Legacy folder.

With just a bit of tweaking I find it better then any growl sax in any of my previous KORG models for sure,...
it's a goto Money maker sound for my music..

I wouldnt know... I went from 9000pro to G70 and never looked back to Yamaha till my T5... Something with 76 keys..

Tough, i thinkmthat Growl sax made its debute in the 9000...

Bacus, the growl sax arrived with the PSR-2000.

Gary

I am pretty sure i remember that sound well from the 9000 pro... never played the 2000

Who can hear the difference?
Most of the musicians in your audience definately can...especially if you switched from a Casino to say a Ketron musical instrument.

As for the others, they will "hear" and feel the difference in your performance..

I have to agree AJ, to a point. I have taken all kinds of keyboards to my band, which has had the same members over the past ten years. I have many comments on which instruments sounded better on which keyboard. OTOH, when playing to a general audience, they may think something sounds good or not but don't know why. Of coarse, the musicians ability enters into the equation, as well as the song.

It is easier to nail down with an informed repeat audience. Nonetheless, I agree with AJ with his example.

Your audience is focussed on groove..the majority of them can't pick out a counter melody or chord substitutions. Google Barry Harris and see what he says about Jazz in colleges.

Alan Russell

How the female singer is exploited today is disgusting imho...the producers seek out the hooker look having a voice ..sad but true.

Alan Russell

Truth is SEX Sells bottom line $$$$$$$$$$$$$$