https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW0hNpMZahs

Donny
Thanks for posting. Thats another area I've yet to work with on the BK9. That player makes it look easy although I couldn't do the drum tracks like him.
Question for anyone who knows the BK9. Would those tracks he recorded be used like a Style or a non-stop Sequence where you would have to peogram your Mark jump buttons.

Fran --- Please get one so you can be the expert on the BK9 here !! G70's gotts be gettin heavy by now.

Roland are up to something September 9th.

Look like Roland going to do some live stream to present new stuff.
Piano & keyboards links at the bottom of the page.
http://tfr.roland.com/global/products

(Link copied from a post at Roland-Arranger site)

Bill I would assume that sequenced multi-track recording is a backing track to play on top of not a style per-say and give you the exact arrangement you want vs a repetitious style
that said,....style creation could also be achieved but would be a different process altogether....

Hi Bill,
as far as I can tell, that guy recorded that full sequence live. Wow.
We used to have a guy come into the music store back 20 years ago, he actually recorded backing sequences for sale. Watched him demo how he constructed them on a workstation. The drums, literally on the fly, like that guy did. Truly amazing talent.

Personally, I could never do it, but if I wanted a backing tracked, possibly a couple of options.
Find a style as close as possible for the backing track I want, even if it's only the drums .
( For me I'm not that good , I 'd probably need drums , bass, guitar, piano.)
Record it into the sequencer using that style.
Then record additional tracks in realtime like strings and melody, brass whatever.

If it's only the drums that you weren't comfortable with and there was no style available that suited, maybe consider doing small sections of the drums ie 4 bars or something and use a copy function to paste it to the rest of the bars for the verse, record another 4 for the chorus, fills etc . Build it up that way.
Then record the rest of the tracks in realtime over the top.

Most keyboards have pretty good sequencer recording and editing functions.

Thanks Rikki
Good idea I'll have to give it a try I'd really like to learn how to make custom Styles for specific songs. I like Style play best and edit them a ton but some are still not right on.

Bill,...The first manufacturer to make the style assembly process as simple as a copy, paste, mix, & match, process so very easy for everyone to do will soar into the Top of the Heap as far as arranger sales will go for sure as since style play is the driving force behind an arranger KB but it's last place in feature functionality for the actual pro or home player to do easily by themselves to create styles the way THEY WANT THEM TO SOUND.

I'm guessing we all want the same thing. Too bad, it seems like something that wouldn't be so hard to incorporate in a keyboard.
Your right, I think a lot of players wold jump on it.

Hi Bill,
sorry, do you mean your edits don't play back correctly?
or
the style you edit for a particular song, doesn't really suit that well in the first place?

Me for instance, I can only convert or edit an existing style. I personally don't think I could record a style from scratch .
I know how to do it, I know what notes are allowable, I know the settings required to make a style play back correctly etc etc all to do with the mechanics of the recording
but
I don't know what rhythm a bass should be playing or the drums or the piano, I need to hear it first, hence I can only put a style together from bits and pieces and do a bit of editing. I lack the musical know how, I can't play by ear, I have to read everything I play.
Unlike this guy I mentioned, he could record a backing track from scratch , and it sounded just like the original song.

If you know what you want musically, the mechanics of recording a style can be learnt ie settings, notes allowable etc

Hi Donny,
the korg is pretty close to it. I do a lot of copying of style parts.

Good to know Rikki it's all coming back to me...... Auditioning styles is also a big plus...

Hi Donny
I don't know if it's just me, but I find the korg method of copying style tracks, style variations etc easier on the korg than in the psr's.

No doubt it will all come back and you'll wonder why you ever changed brands haha.
(Sorry yammie guys, only stirring the pot)

I would imagine Bills bk9 does it too, I'm fairly sure my g800 did and functions usually improve rather than get worse.

Swapping style tracks within a style or from another style is so handy.
Even a complete variation ie variation 123, might be great v4 unusable for one 's purposes.
Why not have 2 variation 3's with slight changes to one of them, and make it vari 4.

I'm currently doing a conversion from a PSR style for sentimental journey. The original Gm drums from a midi-file of the song for intro sound better than the XG style drums.
I replaced the intro drums with intro drums from the midifile.

A couple of my styles, I've used a midifile song intro / ending , Gives the impression that the style was created for the song,

There's lots of stuff one can do. It'll all come back.

In depth Instructional DVDs can also help with style creation within each kb..

Hi Donny,
haven't been thru them, but a couple of guys over on the korg forums have done utube video's on certain aspects of style creation.
Antony Sharmon has been doing video's on creating a style from a song midifile.
Not the quick conversion function that the pa4x is capable of, but full on creation of style from song.
Another young guy called Sam , has done a number of video's. We came across each other , early days of pa800. He wanted to create styles but didn't quite know where to start. I knew a bit , from there we had a ball for the next year or so .
Probably a bit of a laugh ( maybe even cringe worthy haha) going back thru all those old posts. Still , if I forget how do something, it's probably documented in the old archives over on the korg forum.
Sam has put up a number of video's on how to do certain things. A video is so much easier than describing how to do things. Thank goodness for u tube.
He actually records his own styles. ( from scratch ) No doubt he would have figured things out for himself , he desperately wanted to create his own styles, but it's nice knowing I might have helped speed up the process for him, even if only a little bit.

Just a bit hard to know where to start sometimes.

You tube is certainly a blessing.... Rikki any links to these style creation videos?

Hi Donny,
This is Sam's list, (haven 't been thru them)
http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/v...17f5586d31a3f1e

This is Antony's

https://youtu.be/eH8_-x2jf4k

Hopefully link works, the above is part 1, there's about 7 parts I think. I've only watched a couple so far. It's fairly full on and seems a lot of work. Suppose how desperately you want the style.
The pa4x has the song midifile convertor. Apparently mixed results but only takes 30 seconds or so. If doesn't work, move to the next one.
Can 't beleive it, I haven't gotten round to trying it yet. What's wrong with me !!haha

At the moment, you have no control over the parts of the song it wishes to convert into the style.
If they ever give us control over which bars and tracks to use for style parts, that ' s when it will be worthwhile .

Thank you Rikki will look into these soon....

This is exactly how Style moddeling on the Ketron SD7 (and audya) works....




Check out this video at 2:23 where AJ replaces the bass track in a style... Instead of selecting another style for copying, he selects the base pattern from a list that contains all base patterns of all styles on the SD7...

Style modeling on the Ketron instruments is the most advanced of all arrangers.. And exactly or very close to what you are asking for..

Hi Bachus
Actually technics sort of did it back in the early 90's. Can't remember which model they brought it out on, but it was fairly early I think
You could literally dial up a style.
You just scrolled thru style elements till you found one that worked and put together a style part. I think it only worked for variations.
Rather good in it's day.

As for the sd7, certainly looks simple enough, do you know if it also works for the other style parts like fills, intro's/endings?

Funny how things jog one's memory. Back on my pa800, I started a pad library, for piano tracks. (Yamaha has some really good piano arpeggio's. )Anyway. I saved them as looping pads, then I would audition them with onboard styles ( muting piano track or any others that didn't work) then I'd copy the piano pad into the style.
Easier having these tracks as pads, than trying to work out which styles contained arpeggio tracks.
Forgotten all about it till now.

Yes it does...

There is a whole post on the Synthzone Ketron board, where Henni shows hundreds of styles he created on his audya this way...

Henni's HQ self created audya styles

Hi Bachus
certainly sounds like like a good function.

Hi Bachus, yes I remember this Modeling feature on my SD7 also,...definitely they are on the right track. Maybe the SD9 will take it a step further also..

Style moddeling will probably the same as on the SD7 (offcourse with the added audio guitars), but they do take this feature one step further with the launchpad feature.. Which adds even more freedom in the creation of backings... On top of that, in the style SD9 launchpad, you can add any midi track or wav file...


We all acnt wayt to hear more about the SD9....