chas, I may have misread your reply, and if I did I apologize, but it sounded like you thought Steve was putting the jazz group down, and knowing him as I do, I KNOW he was not doing that, but just stating his experience ... after all, he WAS listening to the jazz group ...

I certainly agree with the comments about venue ... I love listening to good jazz groups ( I guess there may be a couple of bad ones around), but I will say that if I go to someplace like Hawaii, I am not going there to listen to jazz groups unless some venue is featuring someone special ... I am looking to be entertained by some of the good local musicians/singers/dancers, performing their traditional music ...

Tony, maybe I did misunderstand Steve's intent. I have to explain that I absolutely HATE the term 'jazzer/s' as though it's some weird cult of eccentrics who have no appreciation for any other musical forms.....or maybe I just don't like labels. I also felt like it implied that almost anything is preferable to even good jazz, even a mediocre solo guitarist/vocalist. What would YOU say the point of the post was other than to point out the unpopularity of jazz? My apologies to Steve if I misinterpreted his post.

chas

Hi Stephen
sounds like the poolside patrons had better manners than the crowd hanging out at the bar.

Rikki all I can figure there were more people with "jock" mentality at the bar and I''m not saying that's bad. We in America love baseball and football. Weird thing this was really an upscale hotel you'd think the clientele would have a greater appreciation of good music. Guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



Donny, I like that analogy!

Guitar, bass, piano, B-3...I'll find a way to play jazz until I physically can't anymore.

It'll cost me. There's less money, fewer jobs and harder to play, more complex material.

Can't see it any other way.


R.

Tony thank you, Chas I didn't take it as an insult I knew I didn't make myself clear. Really weird I think that's the first time I've used the term "jazzers". Actually I've been a fan of jazz for many years I think it was 1968 when I became fan. Living an hour from Boston and 3 hours from NYC I've been to a number of the clubs to hear some great jazz. As a fan of jazz piano I believe the best shows I've seen were played by Makoto Ozone and Michel Camilo. As I recall we loved seeing and hearing Groove Holmes. I also had the opportunity to see John Pizzarelli 3 times, once he accompanied his wife Jessica Molaskey, that show was tops.

At one time we had a well known local jazz club in Providence called Allary's, I'm sure Tony has been there. Before Mike Renzi moved to NYC he was the resident pianist at Allary's. I spent many a Sunday afternoon there listening to some great musicians who worked with Mike.


Mike Renzi Bio At Wikipedia

chas ... Unfortunately - for me - Steve has already responded, but I will give my answer since you asked for it:
I have the benefit of knowing Steve fairly well, and consider him a close friend ... that being said, knowing Steve as I do, I am POSITIVE he was not putting Jazz musicians down in any way, shape, or form ... he has too much respect for musicians and the art to do that ... In MY opinion, Steve was commenting on the sorry state of affairs today, in that, polished musicians - Jazz or otherwise - are not listened to the way a guy strumming guitar and singing songs from the "Top 10 Do Not Play List" as my son would call it, is listened to, and what seems to take first priority in many venues, is the 'game' on TV ...
I ABSOLUTELY did not take it as a 'put down' of Jazz musicians, and having read his post several times, even being a fan of Jazz, I fail to see how anyone would - but PERHAPS if I WERE a Jazz MUSICIAN ...

Tony, Thank you. Amazing the power of the SZ, although we only live about 20 minutes away from each other we would have never crossed paths if it weren't for SZ. Met plenty of other great people here too, Frankieve, Gary, Donny, Korgman5, Saxxman too many other names to list. Thank you Nigel.

Hi,
Too bad you weren't informed about the Clearwater Jazz Festival which showcased Preservation Hall Jazz Band and Trombone Shorty and Orleans Ave on Oct 14th. We go every year and have heard some great jazz (Chick Corea last year).

Skip

Steve, all I can do is double down on my apology. Truth is, your post DOES highlight the problems of club owners and lounge managers trying to promote jazz in their clubs - it's just a reality, a sad, sad reality. BUT, for those of us that enjoy, value, and appreciate good jazz (in all it's forms), let's hope these good 'soldiers' keep fighting the good fight to keep the art form alive.

chas