I PX'd my KN7000 for G70 - Everything seems OK with the new keyboard except there are loads of midi files and all give file not found error when i try to retrieve them also some corrupt user programs . Have tried doing a factory reset but eventhough it says completed the unretrievable files are still there . I did the factory reset from selecting options on the Menu but have just noticed there is CDROm with factory data written on it do i need to use - anyone know please ?

Thanks

Tony

Fellow Musicians Join As well as being a keyboard enthusiast - an expensive hobby - i run cashbacktoyou - it helps me buy my next keyboard ! Have a 30%+ share by referring , all welcome !

[This message has been edited by tony harbour (edited 03-08-2006).]

First, congrats on your new G70 Tony, hopefully you're going
to have a lot of pleasure using it.

I think it's not many of us who know much about this new kb yet,
but at General Arranger Forum here at SZ there are some treads.
Also speaking about updated OS to 1.06, so maybe thats worth
to take a look at?
GJ

Hi Gunnar

I have read most threads on this site , there was some pretty bad stuff said but also good stuff , all i know is the G70 seems to have a very good piano and also 3 year warranty aswell - i hope nothing else tempts me in the 3 years !

Hi Tony,

Very interested in hearing you've bought the G70, and traded in your KN7000. Never heard the G70 myself, but obviously after hearing the G70 yourself you went and bought one (must be good then)

If you get time Tony i'd love to know what you think of the instrument as compared to the KN7000 or Tyros. Are you going to write a short review?

I'm always interested in what way to go in the future, maybe Roland, maybe Korg, your views would be good guidance I feel sure.

Kind regards

Peter

Tony, your G-70, the best of luck with it. I kept my Kn7000 the Roland I use at home only. I am using new s.d card into usb this works but not sure about taking it out to giggs yet. Try www.roland.co.uk

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rog.

Tony, here is also a link who may be useful,
but I guess you already have it
GJ
http://www.rolandkeyboardclub.com/v/index.php

Tony,

I, like Peter, would be very interested in anyones comparison of the G70 and 7000.

Fran in Florida

Fran in Florida and G70 comparison. Will give you my verdict after first live show Trust the kn7000. Not used to sliders and cant move the screen for light on it.

I, like Peter, would be very interested in anyones comparison of the G70 and 7000.

Fran in Florida [/B][/QUOTE]



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rog.

Just a comment, I had a 7000, and changed to the Tyros. Have the styles for the G70, converted to Ty. They really are great. Walter.

The converted G70 styles sounds nice on my KN5000 too.
GJ

You got the G-70 styles in Technics format? I would like to get those for my KN6000. Where can I find them?

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Tom NL

I thought most of the Technics KN users would
know where to look...
GJ

Received my Feb issue of Techplus today. Greg Phillips reviewed the G-70. Looks like Roland has become more user friendly and has picked up a lot of the 7000 great features and added some more interesting features.

As soon as they are available in the U.S. I will take a look. In the mean time, I for one, welcome all comments from users across the ditch.

Sure wish there was a KN 8000 in the horizon.

Fran in Florida

Hi All

Have just read this thread and some have asked for a review - here goes - i have now had the keyboard since Friday - and played it non stop . The keyboard sounds are imho very good - the guitars are more realistic than KN7K both acoustic and electric - the piano is the best i've ever heard on a keyboard . The memory i thought was a bit stingy at 50MB but it appears to be ample for what i need anyway - storing registrations . Roland offers 3 year guarantee which is good too . The keyboard action is semi weighted (76) . It ticks all my boxes . There is only 1 theatre organ preset on it - this is one thing that technics has more of . I like the way that things have been organised on this keyboard - i have used the Music assistant to find a performance setup for a few of my songs - this sets the style and voices tempo etc which can be changed and stored to registration memories - similar to KN7000 . The other way of setting up for a particular song is to suck it and see - try a style then press the one touch setup . When things such as instrument voicings tempos and part balances have been set the resulting sound is very good . There are lots of good pop (50s 60s 70s 80s 90s) and jazz aswell as old fashioned ballroom styles although i am having trouble finding show music - i think the KN7000 style categories were laid out better and perhaps were more diverse , but i might be wrong as there are tons of styles i have yet to try - i like the way the variations on the G70 build up from a basic pattern - seems more how music progresses . To sum up my first impressions : i am happy with the exchange - now can Roland please pay me for writing this review !!

[This message has been edited by tony harbour (edited 03-05-2005).]

Hi Tony,

Many thanks for taking the time to give your initial thoughts etc on the G70

Shame about the lack of Theatre organ presets this could be a drawback for many people. Is the overall tone inc(drums/bass) of the G70 better than the KN7000? What do you think of the vocal sounds.

Thanks again Tony, much appreciated!

Peter

Tony,

Thanks for the review.

Fran in Florida

Thanks Fran - Peter , - i prefer many of the sounds on the Roland - the Piano is considerably better - outstanding i would say through headphones , since i play quite a bit of piano this sells it to me . The vocal sounds - my first impressions -very good too - good large choir sounds aswell as 'do baps' for jazz - nb: there is a facility called 'cover' where you can change any style to a particular backing setting up eg: you can change any style to 'do bap' or oriental etc . Slight niggle - everything is crystal clear through headphones but requires a lot of volume ( abit too much for my living room ) to get the best sound from my speaker setup - logitechs ZR2200s at low volumes it sounds perhaps a bit muffled to my ears ie: the solo doesn't seem to stand out from the style .

Thanks Tony for sharing your thoughts etc.

If ever you record any songs as an MP3 I'd love to hear them.

All the best

Peter

Off topic, but I'm a bit curious, do the Tyros have a features to play "mp3's" (sound files) like KN7000 can? - On gigs this is soo great, and I can't imagine playing on gigs without this feature.

Hi Folks.

As some of you might know, I am webmaster of my retailer's site: http://www.keyboard-centrum.nl

Although it is a dutch site, if you go to it, select "Assortiment" from the top menu, select th top button "Keyboards" on the left then scroll down a little and click on the Picture of the G70. Have fun.

Regards, Fred (http://fred.kn7000.net)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kenneth Gundersen:
[B]Off topic, but I'm a bit curious, do the Tyros have a features to play "mp3's" (sound files) like KN7000 can?

No they can't. I have been trying the Roland 70 Styles, converted to Tyros, all day, and they really are fantastic, on a par with the Tyros styles. Walter.

I can't imagine what a mp3 file should do on a gig,
is it karaoke you're performing?
On a gig you're far more free to add a refrain or
whatever you like by live playing if the public are
in good mood and want you to. By use of sequensed
songs, midis or mp3 you're totally forced to follow
the playback all the time.
GJ

....of course if the mp3 are used as sampled sound
it's different.

[This message has been edited by Gunnar Jonny (edited 03-06-2005).]

Hi Peter ,
Unfortunately there is no MP3 record facility (atleast i haven't come across it yet ) so MP3 would be difficult - haven't manufacturers cottoned on to the fact mp3 recording means free marketing ?

Otherwise i would of been happy to have a go ...

Hi Tony,

That's a shame about Mp3's, never mind! If you discover anything either good, or bad, that is worth reporting, could you let us know Tony, any info you can provide is going to be so useful to anyone wishing to buy the G70

Do you happen to know if the .pdf Manual for the G70 is available for downloaded anywhere?

Kind regards

Peter

Probably coming here as soon as available: http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manual.asp
(Found the link at Gen Arr Forum)
GJ

OK guys
Whats the problem Technics not interesting enough anymore that we have to turn this forum into another Roland site
http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=38&SUBMIT=Go
http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=20&SUBMIT=Go
http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=34&SUBMIT=Go
http://www.synthzone.com/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=21&SUBMIT=Go

Thanks Gunnar for the info, i'll keep the web site bookmarked.

I know this thread started by Tony is not Technics dedicated (many are not). I'm surprised anyone would be so petty though to feel the need to point it out.

I should have thought Tony's info is of great help to all thinking of buying a new keyboard.

Please keep us informed Tony about the G70

Kind regards

Peter

Well, better go "offtopic" within music and keyboardbrands
or do it by private and personal tragedies or happenings if
you ask me.
Specially now when we got "The Bar" to visit.
GJ

Gunnar
I just felt that now Tony has got out of Technics and his interests are elsewhere this thread was quickly digressing into a fully blown up Roland discussion and clearly there are enough of Roland forum sites within Synthzone and I am sure there are plenty of Roland owners that would be only too pleased to join in.

Come on Jonnie C

Tony has just bought a new keyboard and simply wished to share his delight, and afterall we can all learn from his valid comments. I think it very unfair that your attitude should simply be "bought a new keyboard well now go elsewhere"

I think you are being very unfair to him and have simply disrupted a very informative thread. If the G70 is of no interest to you then simply ignore the thread.

Kind regards

Peter

Well for me using mp3s was a success from first time. Now and then I use the mp3s as full playback and add my own playing on top. This is not an "overkill" if you know what you are doing. The audience really seems to love it. Now we are really talking about "one-man-band" I see that I can't add a refrain or wathever, but in cases I dont see any reason to why I should add anything. I play the song how it is original and that's it. If the song is a sucsess I just play it once more (later in the evening) and this works really nice.

Well, this is just my experience. I do not force anyone to perform like me

Kenneth - www.KN7000.net

Edit: Misspelled "success"

[This message has been edited by Kenneth Gundersen (edited 03-07-2005).]

Yes, I can sure see your point Johnnie.c, not much discussions going
on at the Roland forums. Maybe that will be better now when Technics
don't follow up the KN7000?

Personally I'm a kind of eager to see how the G70 and other kb's are
being judged by KN users, also compared to those who are users of the
Tyros or other brands and of course also versus KN7000, so why not on
this forum?

KN7000 will probably stand against most competitions still, but we'll
never know when / where or what will be the next BIG ONE, and not to
forget what will replace or be added to my "dear old mistress" KN5k.

Oh well, at the end it's only the personal taste who matters, and I
really hope that Yamaha get more competition elsewhere to keep up the
alternatives to choose by.
No matter how good or bad the Tyros2 will be. Monopoly is not a good
thing, and it really looks like Yamaha are on the way to achieve it
when quite a lot of players run for it as we can see at Gen Arr Forum.

Ops...got it even more offtopic now, didn't I?

GJ

Hi Gunnar,

I think you've got it absolutely right.

What better way to learn and find out about our future choice of instrument/s than this Technics Forum. Better to get an unbiased view from someone we know and who's judgement we trust.

It's far better surely for members to view their pro's and con's about new keybaords on this forum. Were there to be a KN8000 then perhaps things would be viewed differently but that's not the case.

I don't feel anyway that it's completely off topic if you are comparing other keyboards whilst using Technics as a sort of bench mark.

Kind regards

Peter

I asume our experiences are different, and maybe it's different how it
works in different places where "gigging".

If you play for a public sitting just to listen and look at you, I can
see that there is no need to add or do any funny things, but when gig
for i.e. a Saturday Night Dance or a Wedding, I can't imagine doing it
without the freedom to stop, start, add, joke and have fun as you can
do when perform live playing.
The audience usually love it very much, and you know, when people sing
along and having big time, do not stop to give them any excuse to back
off of the dancefloor and sit down.

Midifiles and mp3's as "The Band" are used quite a lot lately, and I've
been guest at places where every single song was playback.
I have even asked the musicians why not come on and join the rest of the
party, the music plays just fine as it is. No need to be a "book end" for
the keyboard or/and the minidisk who are preset to play non stop anyway.
(Yeah, I know, I'm a bad, bad guy. )

Of course, this is only my personal view and observations. Each one most
do what they find suitable and what they feel is right, after all this
is great technical features who are added to the kb's, and probably it's
made to be used as well.
Wow, got a idea! Kenneth, send your repertoire to me, and I'm going out
to gig again and collect the big money.
Pssst... I won't tell anybody that is you who are inside the KN.

GJ

And yet again, looks like Tony's tread are twisted even more off of the
original topic, or more correct, hijacked by me.....

Found the link for manuals & refguide G70 at GenArr:
http://www.rolandkeyboardclub.com/v/om.php?pagina=4&lang=en

Might be interesting reading even if we don't have
any G70.
Rightclick and "save as" when found the one you desire.

GJ

Hi Gunnar,

How right you are about this thread. 5 to 10 years from now will we still own a Technics? I like to be aware of what is available.

The G70 styles are pretty darn good.

Fran in Florida

Just a quick thankyou for the above links Gunnar

Many thanks

Peter

Dear All

Wow what a response , i have read replies and feel i had better follow up - the reason i bought the G70 was because i always buy a new keyboard every 3 years or so - i usually wait 'til guarantee runs out - my excuse for raiding my bank account ! - What i was after was a 76 note keyboard with good piano as no 1 on my list . Regarding sounds the KN7000 is very very good - i'm NOT knocking it - i had mine for several years no problem - the reason i posted here is as Peter says there might be others looking to exchange - of course your ears might be different to mine so take anything i say with a pinch of salt ! Also no 1 i should say i am a home user - i do not gig - and don't mind creating my own registrations - i'm never happy with one touch settings - that goes for any keyboard - settings always require changing . Also no 2 the piano sounds on the Technics are probably atleast as good for playing with styles ( i however prefer roland for solo playing ). NB: Eventhough i have the Roland keyboard this forum is my favourite - the threads contain all manner of topics that interest me , there are a lot of clued up members here so i will continue to use this forum (assuming you'll allow me to !)


[This message has been edited by tony harbour (edited 03-07-2005).]

Hi Tony,

Whilst deciding to buy the Roland G70 did you also try the Korg PA1X or Tyros? and if so, what made you decide on the G70? Was it because the G70 is very much like the Technics?

How much did you pay for the G70?

Thanks for providing all the info, much appreciated, take no notice of the member who earlier in this thread requested you go elsewhere, it's totally uncalled for and tactless. Comments like that spoil the good will of the forum.

Kind regards

Peter

[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 03-08-2005).]

Well, to keep the discussions in the forums where it's ment to be regarding to
what brand, maybe that is the idea about the whole structure of the forums here
at SZ.
I don't think Johnnie.c "spoil the good will" of the forum by say what he mean,
so do I and some others. Maybe comments like yours now Peter, do a far better
work regarding to "spoil the good will", and also are "totally uncalled for and
tactless" ?

Personally I don't have any problem to see that no more new Technics might make
this more like the General Arranger Forum for each one of us who add or buy a
new keyboard of another brand, and maybe that's what Johnnie.c post is about?
(You know, those of us who lost a great Technics Forum earlier, probably dislike
to see that it should happen to this forum as well.)

Anyway, myself I have nothing against mixing up a bit and even twist a topic now
and then, it's a kind of natural, just as "normal" conversations use to be.

To make a comparison like Tony does here I think many of us like both to see and
participate within, but if or when we start post clean topics about other brands,
I think we should do it on the dedicated forums.
Looking into the links in Johnnie.s's post, the Roland forum is not much used....
and strictly between us, I think the Genral Arranger forum has gone a bit too
Yamaha'ish.

At the end I think we should keep in mind that the only one who deside and tell
us who to go elsewhere or not is Nigel, who do a really GREAT work hosting and
administrate the SynthZone Forums.

Happy posting & playing.
GJ

I'm just hoping that Tony doesn't leave the forum and deprive us of valuable info in comparing the G70 against the Kn7000 just because of Johnnie C's comments.

Like you Gunnar i'd like to see the forum continue as it is. However, if the rules are that only Technics instruments can be discussed here then so be it.

So long as we're told by the person at the top. You can see how things take a downward spiral when someone takes authority into their own hands.

Kind regards

Peter

Gunnar
I agree with you about the little use of the Roland forums and I also like to go off topic on occasions because it is good not to be too rigid in our views.
I choose to ignore the rantings of Peter Lowden because as is the norm he goes off on a tangent and misquotes whatever has been said just for effect, as can be seen if you go back through my posts.
Clearly I have not suggested that anyone goes anywhere.

Well that's fine then, if Johnnie C now says he doesn't mind off topics, and hasn't told anyone to go anywhere. Lets get back on track!

Hoping Tony you will still continue to keep us all informed about the G70 and it's comparisson to the KN7000. If you decide though to take your experiences with the G70 to another forum can you let me know.

Kind regards

Peter



[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 03-08-2005).]

Hi Peter - there's always one or two who offer negative replies - they have their right to express their opinions i s'pose - if it's the majority then i'll start worrying !

I didn't get round to personally trying out the keyboards - i never do - i just use the available mp3 recordings /reviews and specifications etc to make my decision on what to go for . I have for instance the DVDs for the PA1XPRO and TYROS unfortunately there was not a DVD for the G70 so i used the internet first to get the specifications to compare like with like , i also read some user reviews with a pinch of salt and published reviews like keyboard player I find it usually takes me atleast a day to work out what a keyboard can do - not enough time in a store

the part exchange cost was (more than i can afford !)£1025 (including some good headphones)

OFF TOPIC ! this will provoke !!! DANGER ...

what does "a generous 62 Note polyphony" mean ? when reading the Korg pro spec on their site it says this - does it mean they think 62 notes is generous or that the 62 notes is better than you would expect - i read it the first way ...



[This message has been edited by tony harbour (edited 03-08-2005).]

Hi Tony,

Glad you took no notice of the comments by Johnnie C, the thread and conversation was going so well for all who were keen to read what you had to say about the G70, it was a shame the off topic protest by him became one of his typical pointless distractions yet again, I only hope those who expressed their interest in this thread at the start didn't lose heart and patience.

Just in case anyone is interested a friend has leant me a leading keyboard magazine with a 4 page review of the Roland G70 if anyone would like a scanned copy of the pages then email me and I'll send them to you.

I've seen the G70 advertised today for £2,199
at "World of Pianos" (London) it sounds as though you did well on the price Tony.

I've downloaded the manual for the G70 and i'm wading through it. One thing I forgot to ask you Tony, is, has the G70 got a good Music data base (music stylelist on the KN7000) and are the registrations given real song names or are they like Technics leaving you to guess the songs?

62 note polyphony doesn't seem so attractive as 128 polyphony does it, but I've had a Yamaha keyboard with lower polyphony and no note drop out than the newer higher model. I think the test for this is to sit in front of it, push it as far as you can and see if it will play all the notes whilst using Acc / Harmony etc.

Would you say Tony that the styles on the G70 are lively like the KN7000? I hate anything too bland.

All the best Tony

Peter

It's OK but Peter is the type that always starts an argument with people, particularly by asking their advice and then telling them they are wrong,certainly does not read the posts correctly so it is surprising that he ever understands just what is going on.

Hello GJ,

I totally agree. Especially BECAUSE Technics stopped development of new keyboard, this forum should be Technics forum. And why?

Well, There is so much to learn and so much you can do with a KN7000, and moreover the quality of the hardware is so good, that KN owners shoudl be able to share thier hobby. Let GX70 owner start a Roland Forum , if there isn't yet any.

Regards, fred@kn7000.net

Hi again Peter

I'm getting scared now ! - there are 2 people objecting - i am now defecting to the Roland forum !!!

I personally like the styles - there are more than the KN7000 - 285 and you can use the cover to change the instruments - i've heard people say they're bland ? i would say there are some excellent ones in there - especially the acoustic (real guitar sounds with fret noises etc .) the jazz are good the contemporary /synthesizer good 50/60s - great for shadows , i'm pleased to disagree with -ve comments - but please DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT - YOUR EARS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT ! Re the Finder - music assistant - V GOOD - better than KN (IN MY OPINION) you can search for say Whiter Shade Of Pale and about 600 i think other standards it makes setting up a doddle i rekon about 1/3 of my repertoir is covered in the MA you can search by genre aswell


Peter - i'm in the Roland forum now

Best Regards
Tony

Ok Tony i'll follow your postings about the G70 and it's comparrison to the KN7000 on the Roland forum, sad that your offerings to help others though has been received here so badly by the two members who've expressed their dislike of "slight off topic" debates.

This G70 thread had so much promise, I started to gain so much useful information including a link to download the manual i've not diverged at all from the thread titles subject unlike Johnnie C who's not posted in this thread anything constructive simply because he does not want to read or hear about the G70 on this forum "ON THIS OCCASION". There are many off topic conversations here from Music requests to copyright issues, including a very recent disscusion (less than a week ago) in the thread titled Böhm Silverbird where Johnnie C "WAIT FOR IT" airs his views and dislikes about the G70. What happened to the off topic protest here when you readily joined in the debate.

I do hope that everytime someone starts a thread it's not going to be examined under a microscope as to if it's off topic!

As has already been pointed out surely the forum administrator not Johnnie C or anyone else should decide what's allowed or not allowed on the forum with regard slight off topic subjects.

Kind regards

Peter



[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 03-09-2005).]

[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 03-09-2005).]

Maybe a idea to read the posts from the start again, better get it right
than make so much fuzz out of it?

The remarks in the start of every post is not nessesary Peter, but it looks
like you enjoy to heaten up more than calm things down?

And why not use names instead of the hints, speak to instead of about is a
much better way if there are some disagreements going on, or?

Oh well, why do I bother at all........

GJ

Btw, Tony. How do you like the "fill in" system on the G70 compared to the
KN's? I understand you can't choose between them freely, but a kind of up
and downwards progress just as when use MSA.
Is it possible to use them separately as you desire?
what to use whenever you want to use it?

Hi Gunnar,

Appreciate what your saying, I just find it frustrating that the opportunity to learn about the G70 has been spoilt. As a result of the off topic comments I understand Tony has now moved to discuss the G70 on the Roland forum. Great shame.

With regard the copy of the G70 review, i've had quite a few requests but just in case someone cannot find my email address here it is.

peterloudon@wight365.net

Kind regards

Peter

[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 03-09-2005).]

I can't see that the opportunity to learn about the G70 or others has
been spoilt, it may as well be opposite, people being even more eager
to learn.

Guess Tony still will peek in and see this, also reply if he want to,
so far I can't see any new post about G70 done by him at the Roland
Gen Arr Forum.

GJ

I also noticed Gunnar that Tony has not yet started to post on the Roland Forum, I do hope Tony will ignore things and start posting here again soon, this has to be the best approach and one certainly I shall adopt in the future. You may find reassuring Tony that within the last week Wersi instruments have been mentioned along with the Roland G70.

With only one dedicated Theatre Organ preset on the G70 I wondered if anyone has knowledge of any good software or expansion boards that can be obtained to increase this number? The KN7000 has many fantastic organ sounds, it's one thing for me that makes the instrument special.

Kind regards

Peter

Tony did post last night:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum38/HTML/000257.html

Thanks Gunnar for the link that's great

Kind regards

Peter

Hi All,

I don't see constructive comparisons between keyboards from other manufacturers and the KN7000 as being off topic particularly when they come from experienced Technics users such as Tony. My KN7000 is a great instrument and I don't envisage replacing it in the forseeable future but when compared with the KN3000 (my first foray into Technics), the progress over a few short years is amazing. As Technics have opted out we must expect that while the KN7000 may always have some unique enduring qualities it will in time be surpassed in many aspects by newer keyboards. I don't regularly read postings on other forums and welcome the opportunity to hear from other experienced Technics users as they venture into new models from other manufacturers. Thanks Tony for your informative first impressions.

Len C.

Len,

Well said. I 100% agree. Let the band play on.

Fran in Florida

Hi Len,

I hope Tony calls back to this forum and reads your posting, along with comment by Fran. To try and reverse Tony's defection to the Roland forum i've emailed him personally.

Johnnie C, it's just a constructive suggestion but can you not email Tony direct or something and try and get him to come back to join the debate again about the G70 on this forum, please Fred could you not do the same.

Tony doesn't deserve this, he's only been trying to help inform members of future keyboard options! It happens here quite often anyway.

Kind regards

Peter



[This message has been edited by Peter Lowden (edited 03-10-2005).]

Meanwhile Fran, did you have the opportunity to give the G-70 a try now that it has arrived in the US stores?

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Tom NL

Deserve this? Come on Peter, I think this tread is been "translated" a kind
of wrong, and even heated up by you, so why start repeat the story again now?

No one told Tony to leave, just that if this was going to be a fully blown up
Roland tread it might as well be a idea to join the Roland Forum, because it's
several of those already, and not much used either.
At least this is the way I read it.

I think Tony is a grown up man who very well know that he can post where he
want to if he want to, just like everyone else.

GJ

OK Gunnar,

After reading the Review of the G70 there's one subject that really could be a good feature, this being, "Adaptive chord voicing" Has anyone sat and played the G70 and noticed if this is as good as Roland would like us to believe.

Kind regards

Peter

Tom,

Not yet. There is a store with the G 70 right by our East Coast Jam site. I will take a break and look at it then. Maybe some of our pros attending our Jam will take a look and give there opinion.

Some of the keyboard reps would like to attend our Jam, but we want the Jam for members playing and not sales pitches. They are welcome to rent a hotel room for there instrument and do their pitch there.

After listening to the G 70 styles, I aggree with Jonnie. They are not the greatest. Some sound like copies, many have little to no variation and the majority are for an era of music that I am not interested in. They are geared to a younger player and the pro playing to the younger audience. This is an elders opinion.
(luv the 30's/40's)

Fran in Florida

i am one of the younger players and i still dont like the G70. But the adaptive chord voicing function is very subtle but very usefull especially if you use a fully orchestrated accompaniment. It rteally noticeable with the strings in the accomp[animent as when you change chord the strings make more natural changes with the chordn rather than the rigid and sometimes "jumpy " changes that you would normally get. But i doubt very much if your listening audience would appreciate the subtlety.

Thanks for the info on this feature much appreciated.

Kind regards

Peter

Dear Peter;

Did you receive my email?

Thanks
Regards;
BN

Sorry, I don't seem to have received anything

Can you try again with whatever it is you want. My email is:

peterloudon@wight365.net

Kind regards

Peter

Dear Peter;

I resent it 15 mins ago. Thanks


Regards;
BN

Just sent you the Review. Hope you enjoy, good luck

Just noticed in your email that you're also looking into the Tyros and PA1X. I saw the Korg PA1X (with speakers) advertised in the UK recently for £1,699 inc VAT. Think it was in London have to check if your intersted.

Kind regards

Peter



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I agree with you on the styles Fran. Besides the factory effects settings, which can be adjusted, I think the styles are the only thing not great about this keyboard. I love everyting else on it. If only Roland could do an update including the factory styles.


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Tom NL

I have never had a problem with OT threads on any of the forums especially when it relates to comparing different brands and models. This is your forum to use as you want to. If I thought OT threads were getting out of hand and taking over a forum then I might suggest they move to more appropriate forum but one thread about Roland arrangers by an ex-Technics owner really isn't a problem for me. It is very valid discussion to hear how a different keyboard compares to the Technics that it was changed for and why the change was made.

Many thanks for the much needed clarification, this should stop future disruptions about off topic protests, and the inevitable heated exchanges these protests provoke. Hoping Tony will read this statement and now re-join the thread / discussion he started.

Kind regards

Peter

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Hi Thankyou Nigel for clarifying that this thread topic is OK hi gain to Peter Fran et al .

In answer to Jonny Gunnar - the fill ins - you select variation 1 2 3 or 4 and you can play the fill ins associated with that variation as many times as you like by clicking the same button (to fill in to different variation click different button ) .

I have noticed the sound through headphones to my ears is excellent - quite a cut off when hearing through logitech speakers but still pretty good .

Re Organ sounds - To my ears - Technics is better on theatre church pipe organ sounds
but Roland has better range of Hammond type sounds .

Re styles Fran says they sound similar to previous models - can't comment as i have never had a previous Roland model - have to agree somewhat about Roland styles being geared a bit towards 80s/90s/2000 - but i am a bit younger than some mebers (39) so suits my ears . Having said that it can do some good realistic backings for Shadows / Beatles sounds etc and Pink Panther / Jazz solo piano is pretty darn good .

Cheers

Tony

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Great to have you onboard again Tony.

One thing that keeps being mentioned is that some of the styles are on the bland side, even in the G70 review it gives mention to this, although in fairness it also says the good styles outweigh the poor ones!

When comparing the styles of the G70 Tony to those of the KN7000 which are brilliant, have you noticed them to be on the bland side? or would you say overall they are as good?

Kind regards

Peter

Tony, glad you are still going to be posting your observations on the Roland G70.

I've always been a fan of Roland Styles. They tend to get carried away sometimes on the Intro's and Ending's.....some in the past went on forever. To my taste though, I like their styles a lot. I have heard some of the G70 styles that were converted to Yamaha and tweaked and they sounded great. I haven't tried the ones converted to Technic's yet.

I'm curious to see the G70 when our local dealer gets one in. I didn't like the sounds on the VA7 very well. I felt like the Technic sounds were miles ahead there for the most part. I have never liked their organ sounds out of the box, so I'm especially interested in how the are with the new (V) technology.

Anyway, it will be fun to check out! I hope you enjoy yours. Not sure I'll be changing even if I do like it. I guess never say never though.

I guess I should mention I'm a former Roland fan, I've had an E30, E70, E86, E500, E600 and an VA7 in the past. I always considered Roland to be the best.....then I found a Technic's 6000 and "WOW". So got that, and then traded to the KN7000. I like my 7000 a lot so it would take a lot before I'd want to trade it.

Marilyn



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Tony,

Happy to see you back. Keyboard comparisons are a necessary part of any keyboard forum. It keeps the reader up to date on the newest technology. Do we not make comparisons in our every day shopping. Members that are not interested in these posts can skip them.

My neighbor Marilyn, and I think the same.
Something better than the 7000 may come along. Until then I intend to keep mine. Maybe add another brand. But not as many as Bebop has in his stable

Fran in Florida

Hi Tony.

Well, nice to see that Nigel clarifies even more what already been
said all the way during the posts in this tread.

Then it's not possible to choose i.e. fill 1 if you're playing var.
3 and fill 3 if you're playing var. 1.
As I read it, the fills are a kind of "glued" to the variation you
play at the monent, one upwards, and one downwards.
But are there any options to i.e. separate the individual fills so
you can use them regardless to what variation you're playing, i.e.
by use of composer and memorybuttons?

GJ

Hello;

I'm a little confused about this fill-in issue. If I understand corretly with each variation one can only play 3 fills. ( the original , as well as one up & one down)?
I note in the Roland literature that they state there are 6 fill-ins. Are the intros and ending limited this way as well? ( in the literature it states 4 intros + 4 endings )


Also a quesiton about Musical assistant. It is similar to the Yamaha & Korg musical? A style that matches a particular song will all the present contained such as instruments, tempo etc..?

I believe it contains 500 songs? Are they labeled with real song names, or the made-up type?

Any info on the vcal harmonizer? Is it better then Kors ( TC helicon) i.e. does it sound close to real human harmoy vs. sounding like a computer?

Regards;
BN

Top of the morning to everyone - it's now 3.26am so i should be in bed - just finished working on me website thought i'd take a sneaky peaky ...

re bland styles - you could look at it that way - the variation 1 especially is very uncomplicated Roland starts with a basic pattern - it might for instance be a strumming guitar only ! that goes for the intro to on that variation - might be for instance just 1 beat variation 4 - is the full 8 parts in many cases . One thing i found is the balance knob needs to my ears tuning below mid way to have more arranger and less of keyboard - else the keyboard is too much in ya face . I am finding the styles to my liking in many cases - it is pretty hard to find the right style but once found i like the build up from var 1 up to 4 .

Re 6 fill ins - seems to be 4 as follow

fillin 1 activated twice - on variation1 hit multiple times and also on go up from variation 1 to variation2

same rule for fillins 2-4

the other 2 fillins - you asked !

one is going down from variation 2 to variation 1 the other i think was going down from variation 4 to 3

The fillins do seem to work pretty well .

There are btw as you say 4 intros endings you can also do a rit on any ending (slows the ending pattern down ) and as with technics they do different intro endings depending on whether chord is a minor or major - but only on variation 4 i think .

The music assistant has names that are meaningful in many cases - or though some draw a blank with me - but probably because i'm not that knowledgable - eg: A whiter shade of pale is something like - can't remember of hand but it is logical something like 'whiter shade pale' or similar - that can usually be located using the alphabetical search

Re vocal harmoniser - i don't date use it my vocals are best kept for in the bath - i have tried it - it can make you / me sound like i'm down a well or also like pinky and perky - but as for any good - i have no idea

I am off to get some shut eye now before dawn breaks and it gets too light to sleep !


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Thanks for the report.
here you'll find quite a lot of "new" styles
for the G70 as well:
http://www.technote.com/productdetails.asp?prodid=10687&returnto=/products.asp?catid=&tree=

GJ

Tony,

Thanks for the info. Good report.

Fran in Florida

Dear Jonny;

The link does not work.

Regards;
BN

Hi Tony,

Many thanks for all the recent info on the Roland G70, brilliant stuff!

Anyone considering to buy the Roland G70 might care to enquire at Musicland UK.
My friend over the weekend spent a couple of hours phoning round for prices and Musicland offered the best deal, which was £1,950 inc VAT and delivery to mainland UK.

Kind regards

Peter

Hi Peter;

How have you been? Thanks for the magazine review. It was interesting reading it. Thats a good price on the G-70.

Regards;
BN

I'm fine thank you, hope you're keeping well also.

I also thought the price was very good, i've not seen or heard of cheaper, but would love to know if anyone hears of a better deal.

I'm glad the review was of use to you.

Kind regards

Peter

Hi All

Could we not end this thread and start a new
one.Like in the Roland section.

Just a comment

Cheers Barry

Works good in both Firefox and IExplorere here,
even after a cache cleaning.
GJ

You can also try www.technote.com and browse
to keyboard software.

Barry,

Your comment is well taken, however all threads are not interesting to all members of any forum. I for one only read the ones I find of interest. No different than television...you select want you want.

The only thing I find distracting is the length of the any thread. When they reach 2 pages, they should start another thread. G-70 2 ?

I asked in another thread....Where are we going. Had some interesting responses that could be pursued further. If you or other members have some suggestions for subjects to spark this forum please come forth.

Fran in Florida
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