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#428500 - 02/02/17 11:25 PM New KETRON SD40 information.
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Folks,

Here is the new SD40 AJAMSONIC (KETRON USA):- http://www.ajamsonic.com/ketronsd40.html

You can also download the complete manual here (many folks will prefer to use this manual):- http://www.ajamsonic.com/KETRON%20SD40%20TUTORIAL%20-%20FINAL.pdf

Thanks,
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#428794 - 02/11/17 08:01 AM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Dusan Offline
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Thank you AJ for that information.

I haw two question's:
-how to do factory reset on SD40 and
-how to full control SD 40 with Yamaha Tyros 5 (how to set Midi seting's on SD40 and Tyros 5)

Thank you wery much

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#428805 - 02/11/17 02:08 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Dusan]
Torch Offline
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How are you doing with your SD40? Has Ketron ironed out the bugs for you? I like Ketron sounds too much to give up too soon...
Originally Posted By Dusan
Thank you AJ for that information.

I haw two question's:
-how to do factory reset on SD40 and
-how to full control SD 40 with Yamaha Tyros 5 (how to set Midi seting's on SD40 and Tyros 5)

Thank you wery much
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#428822 - 02/12/17 03:22 AM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Torch]
Dusan Offline
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Torch,

bout sound's I newer compaline.They are realy remarkable.What I complaine is realy bad user guide (I haw latest one from AJ site) and about Style Modeling.Latest update from Ketron is stell not solve problems with Modeling and you cant Modelin intros and endings in Drums parts.
SD 40 look's like ather Ketron product's always go out unfinished and I am shure Ketron guy's know about that....but nothing to do about.
In user guide I miss details about Midi connection with ather instrument's....on the end that is a module with no explanation haw to connect Midi and seting's.
I know, SD40 is a good machine and had a potencial,but Ketron is to slow to make them bether...
Only solutions like I can see bout problems is AJ but he is not so often on that forum...

Regards

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#428838 - 02/12/17 01:00 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Thanks. I hope Ketron comes with a fix for you soon.
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#428904 - 02/13/17 11:11 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Dusan.

To set up the midi channels so your SD40 'speaks' with your TYROS.

ON SD40:-
* Press MENU
* Touch MIDI
* Touch KEYBOARD AND STYLE
* TOUCH ARRANGER KEYBOARD
* On this screen, you will see the MIDI TRANSMITION settings (default once you enter this menu).
* Touch MIDI RX (RECEPTION) and you will now be shown the MIDI Receive channels.
* Touch the LEFT box (arranger/left channel) and set that to e.g. 2
* Touch the RIGHT box (lead voice) and set that to e.g. 1
* Now press SAVE and save the settings.

ON THE TYROS 5 (OR ANY OTHER KEYBOARD)
* Press FUNCTION
* PRESS MIDI
* TAB over to MIDI RECEIVE
* Scroll down and set the LEFT = 2 (make sure no other track is using number 2)
* Set VOICE 1 to Channel 1
** Make sure you are using the A or B channel that you will connect the SD40 to on the back!

Now, on the Tyros, turn on the ACCOMPANIMENT button but make sure SYNC START is OFF so the TYROS does not start playing it's internal styles when you start playing. You may also turn down the MASTER VOLUME on the TYROS or the STYLE/LOWER parts so that only the SD40 is heard. You can keep the RIGHT voice volumes up so that where needed, you can actually mix both lead voices of TYROS and SD40.

* Test and make sure all is ok.... then save settings on TYROS and SD40 so that when next you turn on the keyboard and module, you won't have to repeat this process again.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
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[KETRON - USA]
Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
www.KetronAmerica.com

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#428921 - 02/14/17 11:22 AM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Dusan Offline
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Thank you AJ,

for short guide.On Tyros setings you prabably mean:tab to Midi TRANSMIT and not to Midi RECEIVE...
Tyros shuld to be MASTER kayboard and SD 40 shuld to be SLAVE.
Tyros in Midi menu has by defolt many presets and two of them is caled MIDI MASTER KBD 1&2.If I dont set enithing in that two menu SD40 work yust fine.Also work Transpose button and SD emedetly change musical kay.Allso I can control Midi Clock that mean SD40 Style tempo is the same like in chousen Tyros Style.
Problem is how to set Midi data to control Style variation with Tyros button's and Brake.SD40 react on Stop button ,Sinhro Stop Button allso with Intro and Ending Tyros button's.
Tyros Styles sound's amazing with Tyros acompaniment and SD40 Audio drums in sinhronization....
And on the end,what is the problem about Style Modeling?

Regards


Edited by Dusan (02/14/17 11:26 AM)

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#428934 - 02/14/17 10:57 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Dusan,

Thanks for the corrections. You're right.

Now if you want to control the SD40's PANEL (Fill in, Start/stop, tempo, transposer ... etc) from the TYROS 5, you will have to make sure the TYROS 5 can send out SYSEXC messages first (not all keyboards have this functionality built in apart form high end controllers). Then, using the SD40's data tables on our website, you will then have to send the required SYSEXCL messages from the TYROS 5 to the SD40 for each action (press X, release X, turn on vocalizer, turn off mic ... etc).

Hope this helps ... first make sure the TYROS 5 does transmit SYSEXEC messages first and that you can edit them - before you proceed.

Thanks,

AJ
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#428935 - 02/14/17 11:35 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Best way to do a complete factory reset is to re-install OS
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#428938 - 02/15/17 02:21 AM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Dusan Offline
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Tank you AJ for your wiling to help,

I am looking on your site and cant fined a Tablet with Midi data.Please can you send link to them....?
T5 can send SYS/EX data but dont know wich one.

About factory reset you prabably mean to reinstal latest Ketron update for SD40...?

Regards

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#428975 - 02/15/17 05:27 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Dusan.

Please check your email.

Thanks,
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[KETRON - USA]
Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
www.KetronAmerica.com

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#428982 - 02/16/17 12:11 AM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
Dusan Offline
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Thank you AJ...

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#429001 - 02/16/17 03:23 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Please download the KETRON technical tables which includes the Midi charts when wanting to control modules (such as the SD40, AUDYA 4) completely from an external Midi Controller ... e.g. access registrations, press start/stop/fills ... etc from your controller and not have to touch the modules during a performance.

Download here:- http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthread...%20-%202016.pdf

Thanks,

AJ
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Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
www.KetronAmerica.com

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#508210 - 05/01/23 07:37 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
hbinfo2001 Offline
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Hi AJ,I try to configuré my sd40 to my kn7000
To play with the sd40 I have to put the Split at C1 and volume off
My Split in the sd40 is at G2 and for the sounds I have to put at octave +1
After I do a save custum startup
And sometime I open the sd40 and the Split and octave+1 are général
AJ I remember when I had the sd3 module you have help me
Can you tell me what I have done wrong sd40
When the problem will be fixe i will again purchase yor country gold styles
Can I reset the sd40 to factory
Thanks in advance
Howard,


Edited by hbinfo2001 (05/02/23 11:00 AM)
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#508218 - 05/05/23 01:07 AM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Make sure the Technics is transmitting on MIDI Channel 1

Then on the KETRON SD40, make sure it is receiving on Midi channel 1.

Once this is set, you can now set the SPLIT point ... etc all on the SD40 directly.

Thanks,

AJ
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[KETRON - USA]
Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
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#508323 - 05/24/23 03:24 PM Re: New KETRON SD40 information. [Re: Ketron_AJ]
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I’m pretty sure Yamaha’s can’t edit the sysex they send for Style Control. Not sure anything can (can Ketron edit what sysex the Variation buttons send? Or is it hardwired?)…

And here’s what I’ve been bitching about for decades… why not standardize the codes? Roland and iirc Korg use simple PC#s for style control. No sysex headers to worry about, simple to edit in a DAW if you need to, no worrying about sysex strings (which have to be sent in one string) messing with timing, no worrying about having to edit the sysex header (unique to each model) if you change arrangers.

Arranger manufacturers got gifted a huge benefit from the MIDI Manufacturer’s Association (MMA) coming together to standardize basic MIDI codes, and haven’t done one single thing themselves to leverage it so that a Yamaha can talk to a Roland, or a Korg, or anything when it comes down to basic style control. Not a damn thing. In 30 bloody years! It’s outrageous…

Intro selection, Variation Selection. Fill selection. Break selection. Bass Inversion selection. Part mutes. Ending selection…. Every single manufacturer uses different codes for the EXACT same thing. Things we all use, things which all arrangers have. It’s a crushing failure on behalf of the manufacturers of arrangers, and needs, now more than ever, to be addressed. Think of how many arrangers DON’T get bought because they won’t work well with another manufacturer’s arranger…. The synth market exploded after its manufacturers finally got together and standardized note, timing and controller codes and invented basic MIDI. Fortunes were made, and it opened the door to the world we now live in,

Except arranger manufacturers. To my knowledge, there has never been a meeting of the majors about anything to do with arrangers. EVER..! And now they’re going broke. Some have left the segment altogether. Their sales don’t even support releasing TOTL models not riddled with bugs and missing features. All because they aren’t selling many any more, while the answer (and a stupidly simple on to adopt) is staring them in the face…

You don’t buy two arrangers from two different manufacturers much, because it’s a nightmare to get them to play nice with each other. Simple as that. I’d have an SX900 synced to my BK9 today if they played together. That’s one sale gone, Yamaha…. Multiply that by thousands of players who’d LOVE to easily add another arranger. Why the arranger industry can’t see this, I’ll never understand…


Rant over… 🎹😂

In the meantime, if you want to control arranger divisions across brands, you’re going to need a device in the middle, laptop, tablet etc. and use a program that changes the codes received into the codes the downstream device wants to see. Unfortunately, many of the functions you’d need to send don’t even get controls. Bass inversions sometimes, part mutes sometimes, sometimes an arranger has a code for those, but the button doesn’t send anything.

Best of luck… 🥺😂

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