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#430665 - 04/12/17 01:28 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: Stephenm52]
Bachus Offline
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Originally Posted By Stephenm52
Originally Posted By Bill Lewis

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Stephen
At the music store I teach at I teach on an older model Casio. To the students its OK because none of them have a great instrument at home. Recently things got moved around and I now have ( for the time being ) a Roland FP30. The students who are mostly beginners noticed the improvment immediately. Maybe the owner is putting out bait to sell more. Now the FP30 is a big jump up from the older Casio but still far behind the FP90. The point is for getting back into things your older Casio may be OK for awhile, but if you ever make the jump to the FP90 you will appreciate the BIG difference in sounds and touch. I also bet , like me, you will spending more time at the Piano again. Lots of stores do offer a return option these days but I don't think you'll use it if you buy one.


Bill,


Thanks for weighing in on the FP90 vs. the others. I was hoping you'd comment on my post. I took a trip to Guitar Center this afternoon to see what they had in stock NO FP90 which I knew because I called ahead. They did have the Rd2000. Whoa!! That's some kind of piano and great action on it. For home use I have a Clavinova CVP307 and the action on that instrument is excellent but the RD2000 was even better. Do you know whether the FP90 has the same action as the RD2000? Somewhere along the line I thought it did. While there I played some of the other pianos they had on display none came even close to the Roland action or sound . I was disappointed in the action on the lower priced Yamahas but there's a huge difference in price of the RD2000 versus the others I played.


Yes, both the rd2000 and the fp90 have the same keybed... and pretty much the same sound engine... however there are more sounds on the rd2000, with more eddit options and more dsp and offcourse more live controlls...

The fp90 has the build in speaker tough, quite wonderfull sound comming from them..
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#430668 - 04/12/17 01:47 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: guitpic1]
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Thanks Bachus that's good news having the same action and sound engine.

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#430670 - 04/12/17 04:04 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: guitpic1]
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Many years ago, when I was playing rhythm guitar and singing with a 5-piece country band, there came a time when the drummer became seriously ill. He had a major heart attack and went into congestive heart failure. It ended his drum playing career and a few years later, it took his life. He was a great drummer, his timing was pretty strict and regimented, but not as strict as a drum machine or any other electronic device. The big thing he could do was adjust to subtle changes in tempo, especially when our lead guitar player began sliding out into left field. Our lead guitar player was all over the place when it came to tempo, mainly, I believe, because he rarely played in the band, just sat at home and picked out songs and sang, so tempo was never a critical thing to him. When we lost the drummer, and wasn't able to find another for the following week's jobs, I went to the local music store and purchased a Roland programmable drum machine. Back then, it was considered the best available, and it really sounded fantastic.

Well, the only person that seemed to be able to keep time with the machine was me. The lead guitar player never really paid any attention to the drum machine, or our drummer when he was there. The drummer would always adjust to suit the guitar player's tempo changes, but the drum machine didn't, thus causing a problem. I later noticed our fiddle player and the mandolin player, had the same problem. Since then, I've noticed that I wasn't the only person that encountered this. There are a lot of great players out there that cant keep time if you gave them a metronome - it's amazing.

All but the guitar player and myself have long since passed away, and last year I had to retire. The guitar player performs that NH circuit, playing and singing as a solo entertainer, performing only Marty Robbins songs. He does about 2 jobs a week most of the time. He still cannot keep time with the keyboard, and turned down my offer when I offered to give him the old drum machine. Said he just couldn't get the hang of using it.

All the best,

Gary cool
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#430673 - 04/12/17 08:06 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: guitpic1]
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The 2000 is defiantly one of the top weighted keyboards for the preforming pro. Lots of editing, sounds,etc. Much more than I need or want . Keybed and Piano sounds are the same except the 2000 adds,the V Piano in the arsenal. More for a,band player who needs,to cover piano and synth parts.
For basic home use or giggling as a Pianist the FP90 is fantastic. Being able to use a mic with effects thru it and save as part do a registration are great.
Very happy and impressed with my purchase. Enough features and great sounds to cover the needs of a Piano Preforming Pro.
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#430674 - 04/12/17 09:48 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: Bill Lewis]
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Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
The 2000 is defiantly one of the top weighted keyboards for the preforming pro. Lots of editing, sounds,etc. Much more than I need or want . Keybed and Piano sounds are the same except the 2000 adds,the V Piano in the arsenal. More for a,band player who needs,to cover piano and synth parts.
For basic home use or giggling as a Pianist the FP90 is fantastic. Being able to use a mic with effects thru it and save as part do a registration are great.
Very happy and impressed with my purchase. Enough features and great sounds to cover the needs of a Piano Preforming Pro.


Actually the fp90 also has the v-piano engine.... its just marketed under a different name, fully modeled super natural... its the same thing... just less choices and less adit options... its marketing slang..


Edited by Bachus (04/12/17 09:49 PM)
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#430685 - 04/13/17 07:37 AM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: guitpic1]
Bill Lewis Offline
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Just came across this review for the FP90. Very informative.

http://www.pianobuyer.com/current-issue/17-review-roland.html
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#430749 - 04/14/17 10:06 AM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: Bill Lewis]
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I do piano and guitar only all the time, but it's a pre-meeting dinner, a picnic at a horse farm, a dinner before an annual meeting or a quite dining room.


Ya gotta choose the right place to work, and develop your regulars into people who will support what you do.


R.

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#430757 - 04/14/17 11:56 AM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: guitpic1]
Bill Lewis Offline
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I agree, you have to be in the right situation.
By coincidence I watched the "Fabulous Baker Boys" movie last night. I enjoy it but when the scene of NYE comes on and its just a piano and vocalist doing ballads I have to laugh. Never in the real world would that work.
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#430761 - 04/14/17 01:37 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: Bill Lewis]
Stephenm52 Offline
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Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
Just came across this review for the FP90. Very informative.

http://www.pianobuyer.com/current-issue/17-review-roland.html



Bill, Nice find, I see too that he has an 8 part series of You Tube videos that reviews the FP90

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#431479 - 05/07/17 05:44 PM Re: Piano vs. Arranger in solo gigs. [Re: Bill Lewis]
Stephenm52 Offline
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Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
The 2000 is defiantly one of the top weighted keyboards for the preforming pro. Lots of editing, sounds,etc. Much more than I need or want . Keybed and Piano sounds are the same except the 2000 adds,the V Piano in the arsenal. More for a,band player who needs,to cover piano and synth parts.
For basic home use or giggling as a Pianist the FP90 is fantastic. Being able to use a mic with effects thru it and save as part do a registration are great.
Very happy and impressed with my purchase. Enough features and great sounds to cover the needs of a Piano Preforming Pro.


Bill, Thanks for your recommendation on the FP90, I purchased one from SZ member Frankieve at Audioworks. This is a very fine digital piano.

You mentioned the Piano Designer feature that's built in, it's a great feature. It's worth telling SZ about the FP90's built in program called "Piano Designer". It allows you to make subtle changes to the piano even moving the tuning from A=440 to A=442 and many other increments above and below A=440. It's a bit of a pain to make the changes at the piano, but I discovered there is a dedicated Roland app for the iPad/iPhone called "Piano Designer." I downloaded it then thru Bluetooth I got it synched with the FP90. Pretty amazing there are 30 presets and once you get the iPad and the piano talking to each other you simply tap on the preset and it loads it. There are even a couple of presets set up by famous piano technicians. The presets blew me away they really change the character and sound of the piano it's almost like you're in a piano showroom with a few different pianos to test drive.

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