Suppose with all the talk of Tyros 6 or whatever, these are still selling?

You can buy all Tyros units if you look hard enough ,.....
if you buying a T5 now try calling Frank at Audioworks

http://www.myaudioworks.com/pro-audio.php

Phone
(203) 876-1133

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If you really like the Tyros 5, have the funds and can get one at a good price, why not buy one?

Korg Claims that (atleast in GErmany) they are currently selling almsot 2 times as many PA4x's (including musikant) as Yamaha tyros 5

So yes, they are still selling, but not as they used to..

Seems in the UK, the Tyros 5 in total was Yamaha's best selling Tyros ever in total.. More then half of them 76 key versions.


Nice to know fact, Korg is planning a major update to the PA4x in September, which makes me asume they are preparing the PA4x for the battle against Tyros 6/Genos. I spoke to the Korg representative in Netherlands and Belgium last Monday in Rotterdam during a demo (https://www.bax-shop.nl/nieuws-items/kor...terdam-17-00083) he confrmed that the rumored update in May is only for the Pa4x Musikant ... and the news for September. By June, he will be in Italy and then they will Brief him about the big update.

(another nice news snipset, Marco Rietdijk former demonstrator of Yamaha and Korg, is now store manager for Bax, Holland biggest music retailer in both Rotterdam as well as Amsterdam)


I spoke to Michel Voncken 2 weeks ago at a demo in Eindhoven, he was trying to sell Tyros5/Psr S970 and he claimed the next Tyros was still far away... Fun thing he almost gained half the weight he lost last year again..

Talking to many dealers in the UK then yes, the PA4x has outsold the T5 by 2 -1, much like the Technics KN7000 did to T1, however the T5 sales have been lacklustre, (Many ditching them and going back to T4 or other manufactures) the bestselling was the T3 which built on the T2 which at the time put all the other arranger manufactures in the shade.
There were some problems and missing features in the T3 which were fixed by the T4, however a lot of folks still stuck with the T3.
If you go into any dealer or festival, you will find most folks are interested in the S970 and a used Tyros. (The T5 gets pretty much side-lined these days, with no firm commitment as to when a replacement will arrive either)
Bill

numbers dont lie.......someone paid for the T5 disaster at Yamaha, they shot themselves in the foot, ....not too mention how many loyalists players switched camp and with good reason never to return...if whenever Yamaha returns it will be a very different direction hold on to your hats!!!

I almost bought a T5 because of "Organ World" and ensemble, but it is not ergonomically suitable for gigging, so I opted for the S970 instead. For people that haven't had previous models to compare, especially home players, I am sure it is still a fine machine. For that price, it had better be.

I owned a T3 and swapped it for a T5 when they came out. Biggest mistake ever. The T3 was/is a much smoother sounding board than the T5. Okay, the T5 has some extras (Organ World and Ensemble) both of which I never use but the T3 in my opinion is a sweeter sounding board.

I also have a Ketron SD7 which to me is far better sounding than the Tyros so consequently the T5 sits in the corner probably feeling unloved.

Can't bring myself to get rid of it though as I still get some enjoyment from it.

Probably the last Yamaha I will ever buy.

Alan

Hi ... I'm another who owned the T3 and went for the T5. However, I feel that it was a great move. From T3 to T4, a LOT of nice new voices were added. From T4 to T5, a lot more nice new voices (and a fair number of new/good styles) were added ... so for me, the jump from T3 to T5 was a major improvement ... I feel that the T5 sounds at least as good as the T3 in terms of overall 'impression' of the sound. Then again, I did not do any "A-B" testing with a T3 *and* T5 in front of me.

Anyway, I'm very satisfied with my T5 after having the T3 as my previous 'board ...

Jim

lets face it the PA4x clicked many of the boxes players were all asking for and its gonna be hard to beat in years to come....the people have spoken and Yamaha knows it and got spanked real hard.......
let's see how they respond this round if at all...or maybe just stick with MOTL units like the S970 where they actually did very well vs T5.

I have to say one of my favorite KB's was the PSR 9000 Pro. Sure it didn't have all the newer voices and styles and was a beast to lug around but it played and sounded great! I then moved to the T2 and then the T4. At my age (81) the T4 is the end of the line and still one great KB. Going to be interesting on the progression of KB's by Yamaha in the future.

Dick

Numbers dont lie... yamaha claims to have sold more Tyros 5 in the UK then any model before that... espescially the 76 key was a huge succes...

This claim is comming from Yamaha demonstrators...


But last year sales started dropping, which offcourse is not unusuall as instruments get older..

Korg pa4x selling better then yamaha? Yes, but only because everyone that wants and can afford a Tyros 5 allready has one..

I allways keep a close eye on the dutch used market.... barely ever there is a tyros 5 for sale... i was at a Pa4x demo earlier this week, most people there where tyros players... and from their comments it was obvious why they where tyros players.... i still believe the typical arranger home player is still best served with a yamaha tyros 5...


I dare state that most people active on these forums are not the typical european Tyros 5 arranger players...

I doubt I would ever buy a Tyros 5...I would have to get a steal of a deal. And I still have my PSR S970 to play around with.

However, I find this thread really interesting.

Hi guys,

Not to hijack the thread, but Bachus, didn't your contact mention anything about a PA900 update too? Or even better, a new keyboard, successor of it, based on Pa4x?

Thanks!

The 9000PRO wasn't a PSR model. It was it's own category. That's probably why I liked it so much!

No, and to be honest, i didnt ask ...

But i guess since Korg Italy is working their bums off on the pa4x update, there is not much room for developing other instruments...

I would guess korg doesn't really have to work their buns off with a big winner like the pa4x,.....until Yamaha or anyone else for that matter ever decides to wake up and be a threat of some kind and knock them off the top of the arranger mountain....
this will be a very long wait enjoy what you have..

Donny, according to a survey conducted last summer by Bonner Music, the list is as follows:


Yamaha PSR-S970. ...
Roland E-A7. ...
Korg PA900. ...
Korg PA300.
Korg PA4X. ...

Now, other surveys put the Casio CTK-1500 at the top of the list, so when it comes to actual sales, Korg has a long way to climb in order to even catch up to Yamaha and Casio. And, as diverse as Yamaha is in the world of musical instruments, I really don't think they're even a little bit worried. Granted, Korg makes a great arranger keyboard with some really neat features, but when it comes to overall sales numbers, they are still near the bottom of the list.

All the best,

Gary

Yeah, Rolls and Bently's too .

chas

HI Gary

In that list you have posted, the first 4 are either MOTL or Entry level products, the PA4x is the only TOTL Arranger, so it’s hardly surprising its sales are lower. (MOTL and Entry level have always been the bread & butter for manufactures)

If you have ever tried an S970 then you will know why it is the go to MOTL arranger, just like the PA4x is the go to for a TOTL arranger.

In the end, no matter what the sales figures are, you always buy what suits your requirements.

Bill

lets just survey pa4x vs T5

Try 'em both for a week, then decide which you like better. No wrong choice.

Words of Wisdom from the "Southern Gentleman".....

Keep in mind that Pro keyboards only make up a minuscule fraction of arranger keyboard sales and if the manufacturers had to survive on what we, as performer/entertainers consume they would have gone out of business a long time ago. Several years ago there was an entire thread about this and if I recall correctly, pro musicians only purchased about 1/10th of 1 percent of all the arranger keyboards worldwide and less than 10 percent of the synths. All the rest were procured by home players - just like organs. Essentially, sports fans, we're pretty much like a speck of fly poop in a mountain of pepper.

Bill, I have played the S-970 and loved it, and got to play the T-5 here during the last Synthzone Jam. But, I also loved every other keyboard I've owned during the past 30 years - I loved em all! I loved the TOTL and MOTL keyboards alike. Loved those with onboard sound systems and those without. I guess I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to arranger keyboards.

Chas, I'm pretty easy to please when it comes to cars, too. To me, they're just something to transport me from point A to point B reliably. I really don't care what they look like as much as I care about the reliability. That's why I still drive a 2006 Dodge Grand Caravan with 155,000 miles on it and still going strong after 10 plus years. It does exactly what I want it to do - just like ALL the arranger keyboards I've owned over the past 3 decades. Hell, I even have the same wife after 54 years, though I think she's having second thoughts since my health went to Hell. Damned pills do some nasty things to ya!

Gary, just a poor attempt at a joke - meaning lower sales don't necessarily translate into an inferior product. BTW, hope you're feeling a little better these days and yes, you're probably right about your wife; she probably should trade you in for a new model .

chas

Thanks Chas. The young ladies at the pulmonary rehab center think I'm doing great, and I guess I am compared to some of the other patients who are there at the same time. I walk in with a blood pressure of 120/65 and a pulse of 60, and my room air O2 saturation is about 96 percent. There is a 45 year old guy there that just started last week who has a blood pressure of 175/90 at rest, and his O2 saturation is about 88 percent on room air - not good.

Today, the ladies put me through the ringer, but all my readings were about the same when I left as they were when I arrived, which they said is fantastic for someone pushing hard on 77 years old with bad lungs and 2 prior heart attacks. These ladies are in their late 20s, with six-pack abs, brick hard bodies and very, very attractive - I'm not looking forward to completing the program next month, but that will give me more time for sailing to distant ports.

My wife said she would have traded me in for a newer model a long time ago, but she never could find one that would do the cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing, sewing, lawn and garden work, shovel snow, then go to work and pay the bills. I told her to stop looking - they no longer exist. She got the last one off the production line.

Chas, with luck, I hope to sail south October 1st and possibly arrive in Hilton Head Island, SC where I'll be spending a few days in the middle of the month visiting with an old sailing friend who lives there on his wife's houseboat. Maybe you could sneak over and join me for a day or two there. Usually, I bypass Georgia because the ICW segment through GA is in pretty bad shape these days. For me, it's easier to just sail 24 hours straight through to Ferandina Beach, FL then duck back into the ICW again before continuing south.

All the best,

Gary

Nope... having owned both for an extensive time.... i dont think any of them is a wrong choice...

Different boards with different charms... as said many yamaha home players will only be confused when moving to Korg...

And while both boards can be used with great succes by both homeplayers as well as professional players on stage.... its obvious to me, that the pa4x is designed much more with performing musicians in mind, while the tyros5 is designed much more with home players in mind...

That is also part of the reason why Korg is so popular on these boards.... most of you are professional players, with professional and gigging needs...

So does that make the tyros 5 any less? No, many features on the Tyros 5 are still unsurpassed. but for a gigging yamaha player, the psr-s970 might even be a better choice then the tyros5.. as most as the extra features of the tyros 5 will barely be used on stage.. and the new features of the psr like live knobs and arpeggiators look to be an asset for playing modern music if needed. .. i think if you can live with the psr keybed, its a wiser choice for stage then a tyros5

This however can not be said from the korg pa4x vs the pa900...

The "CABIN ARRANGER FEVER" always happens when nothing gets released for a very long time and people get very bored with the same old gear that's out there yearning for something fresh and new.....plus now there's even less manufacturers in the game also left and technology changing in many ways you just have to settle in, save your money enjoy what you have and just make music for now....until maybe something exciting emerges when ever that is...

Offcourse i do... my physics allow me to play for 2 to 3 hours each day.. (next to my fulltime job) ... the rest of the time, i spend next to my misses on the couch while she crochets and whatches tele, i browse my ipad and post stuff on the forums...

As I mentioned before, I work with teenagers in school part time. There's practically zero interest in arrangers and it's hard to generate much interest. If the teens I'm around get interested in keys it's mostly synths and pianos.

Hard for me to imagine that Yamaha's music division loses much sleep over whether or not a new arranger is produced on a regular basis.

Different places different needs....

Just show those kids how to make EDM or hiphop with an arranger and you have their interest..

Play them a waltz or foxtrot and the interest is for ever gone

The reason arrangers dont grasp younger people is their content that is aimed at 70 + people..



Most people owning arrangers have no clue how to make 2017's edm hiphop and rap music... same goes for people selling these arrangers... but go and talk to Joe H at the psr tutorial forums. He will teel you how great these instruments are for creating such music, with the new features the 790 is even more formidable then the tyros..