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#433250 - 06/21/17 04:57 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: cgiles]
travlin'easy Offline
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Originally Posted By travlin'easy

Chas, OK, I'll bite - name a couple scenarios where that would not work, at least in anything other than a jazz club situation. In jazz clubs, all bets are off! ;)Jazz clubs are the only venue I have not performed at in more than a half century.

Gary cool


Concerts - large and small, jazz, rock, or Country
1.I played several small concerts, people couldn't stop themselves from dancing and did so. Attended a relatively large theater concert featuring the Glenn Miller Orchestra. When those 17 pieces kicked into In The Mood, people climbed out of their seats, they danced in the isles and in the back of the theater, and they knew every song by heart. No disasters here!

2. VERY upscale restaurants
Performed at The Delenote and Dinimo's in Baltimore's Little Italy, locations where business icons, Baltimore's baseball and football players brought their families to dine, and lots of Washington politicians were there nightly. They frequently got up to dance in a small area right in front of the stage, and they pretty much knew the vast majority of the songs I performed by heart. Nope, no disasters at either location.

3. Malls
Only did a few Mall jobs, maybe a dozen at most, there was dancing all the time while I was performing, usually in front of a store for a grand opening - the owners and mall goers loved it.

4. Casinos
Never played at a casino, but went to one with Don and Susan Mason, there was lots of dancing going on and they guys on stage were playing 70s and 80s Rock and Roll. No disasters here either.

5. Most (but not all) Hotel lounges
Played for a few years in some of the most luxurious hotel lounges in Baltimore's Inner Harbor - Guess what - people danced the night away in the lounges.

6. Any venue (and there are many) where dancing is not allowed
Never saw one in this part of the world, but I guess they probably exist somewhere. Just don't know why they would have such a rule. Don't make good sense at all, at least to me, especially if they had live music, but what the hell, I'm an old fart and loved to dance when I was still able.


7. Art shows - high end
Only went to a couple art shows, they usually had some background music, a violin player, harpist and a cello at most. No one really paid any attention to them.


8. Singer/songwriter-type venues featuring mostly original material
Never been to one!

9. Hard core Blues clubs (GA is riddled with them)
Only went to a few hard care blues clubs, every song seemed to sound like the previous song, got bored in 20 minutes and left. No one danced there, I think because you probably couldn't have danced to those songs if you wanted to. JMO


As you said, there are NO hard fast rules with this, therefore, the best we can do is provide information to those who seek guidance based upon our own, practical experiences over many decades of being an entertainer and performer. Anything beyond that is conjecture at best.






Good luck,

Gary cool


Edited by travlin'easy (06/21/17 05:03 PM)
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#433252 - 06/21/17 05:10 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
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I have played a few places where there was no dancing. A Sunday Brunch at a seafood restaurant, Ralph and Kackoo's, an art show I play every October (BORING), political fundraiser dinners (they would have to dance on the tables, but that would probably be all right at $200. a plate!), a couple of funerals, a wedding (not the reception).
I sometimes play for special occasions in the dining room, rather than the lounge, at my "regular" job. There is no place to dance in there, but sometimes a couple will get up and dance anyway!
However, I still do pretty much the same music anyway.
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#433254 - 06/21/17 05:21 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
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They dance at the political fund raisers up here, Don, and they pay $1,200 to $1,500 a plate for finger food - they usually have a small, open space right in front of the stage where the political wannabees tend to gather with the ladies and, if they're drunk enough, which they usually are when it involves free, high end booze, they will dance a lot until the speeches kick in. Then they get bored and tend to pass out in their seats. Sure paid well, though.

I never thought about a funeral, but don't people dance at Irish wakes? Don't know - never been to one.

Gary cool
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#433255 - 06/21/17 05:31 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
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I play 3 or 4 fundraisers each election year at the same place, a private venue. It's really nice, but no place to dance. The prices vary according to the political office involved!
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#433257 - 06/21/17 05:48 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
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I did one for George Bush, he wasn't there, but instead, sent a representative or some sort. It took place in a huge hall in Abingdon, MD, probably 1,200 people there, mostly lawyers, building contractors and state politicians. I don't know how much they paid to be there, but someone told me it was in excess of $2,500 a plate. All the time I thought I was doing well charging them $500 for the 45 minutes I was able to play music before and after the speeches. George Bush did, however, show up on a couple big screen TVs and they were yellin and screamin just like he could see them, but I knew he couldn't cause there was no camera to telecast our end, at lest I never saw one. It was a wild night, though.

Those were the days,

Gary cool
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#433259 - 06/21/17 06:58 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
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The widow of a sax player I had worked with several times asked me to play at his church funeral. I balked. It was the first time I ever had such a request. She said she had already asked and received approval from the Episcopal priest. She wanted me to play the songs (all dance tunes) that her husband and I played on jobs which featured mostly 40's era swing and latin, ..also approved by the priest.
I played Embraceable You, Satin Doll, It Had To Be You, Begin the Beguine and other well known favorites as mourners entered the sanctuary and at the end of the service. I was careful to keep the volume and dynamics of each song at a respectful level

During the service the priest explained that the Widow had asked for and arranged my contribution to the service. Naturally, there was NO dancing but several in attendance sought me out with positive comments about how appropriate the music was in light of the deceased's musical interests and his wife's wishes....including the priest.

I know this is a bit off topic...but I'm sure many pros and part-timers here have been asked to play events that go beyond the norm.

Eddie

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#433261 - 06/21/17 07:52 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
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All very interesting but I don't know what it has to do with my premise that there is no single, guaranteed formula for success in the music business. Sure, dance is usually related to music but it's certainly not absolutely required for a performance to be successful. And, I don't always have to KNOW a song to be able to enjoy it. Maybe I will just enjoy a song for the beauty of it's melody or chordal structure or lyrics or just the artistry of the musician performing it. At least Don was kind enough to acknowledge that there are at least a few places on earth where there is no dancing. In my opinion, what works musically depends as much on the type of audience as it does with the musical act being presented. If you enjoy dancing the night away and trying to converse with your friends over the din of the music, then fine, but if you enjoy a good glass of wine, great listenable music played at levels that allow for normal conversation, then you'll probably choose someplace else. Some people like Jeeps and Pickups, me, I prefer MB CL550's. Luckily, we live in a world where both are available.

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#433265 - 06/21/17 10:33 PM Re: What is your "modus operandi" when performing? [Re: Mark79100]
travlin'easy Offline
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Luckily, we live in a world where both are available.

Yep, I fully agree, Chas - why does this keep happening to me? wink

All the best,

Gary cool


Edited by travlin'easy (06/21/17 10:34 PM)
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