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#433307 - 06/23/17 11:01 AM Setting up recording studio.
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Would like some advice.

I'm thinking of setting up a home recording studio that I can also use to generate a little income.

I still own a Roland VS2480, several Rode condenser mics as well as the recording capabilities of my arrangers. My den would be an ideal small studio plus has a beautiful view of the river out back. There are no others, that I know of, providing this service in this area.

My target clients would be small groups and solo performers. I have done this in the past on a small scale.

Thing is, it's been 15 years since I've produced a commercially viable product. Back then it was all CD's...

Now? I'm not sure what clients would be looking for in a final product.

I'm not looking to do this full time as I have other sources of income.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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#433309 - 06/23/17 11:03 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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This will become a money pit for you I would really rethink what your trying to do in a home environment,....here's some tips...






Edited by Dnj (06/23/17 01:42 PM)

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#433314 - 06/23/17 11:35 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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lot to do here got to have good mastering unit too

i use a tascam dp 32 love the unit have done many tracks for me and others with this unit and has some mastering on board as well

depends how far you you want to take it

demo qlty or Radio qlt big difference my Friend .
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#433348 - 06/23/17 09:25 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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Start with a Good DAW...

for recording i prefer my macbook and Logic X (which is only $200 and makes the Mac a whole lot afforable)
It does not only come with a good set of instruments but also with all the necesarilly and high quality effects for mastering the mix

add a mixing panel that also functions as audio unit, or just a good audio unit and stick to mixing with the software and a dedicated midi controller
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#433351 - 06/24/17 12:10 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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If you have a PC then get yourself a good external MIDI/Audio interface, (Steinberg models are good value) as they come with good software controllers.
Get something like Cubase Elements (Which is quite cheap and will suit a lot of users) to get you going, than as you learn more you can decide how you wish to expand. (Cubase Elements can also be upgraded for reasonable price)
If you’re doing a lot of audio, then Steinberg’s Wavlab elements is a good place to start, and you an usually get both Cubase and Wavlab as a package even cheaper.
If you are going to use your DAW in a live environment, then Ableton Live is a good DAW to go for.
There are also free DAWs out there if you just want to try to see what it’s all about.
If you have a MAC then you are pretty much limited to Steinberg and Logic DAWs (Ableton Live should also now work with the latest MAC OS, but check first)
Have fun
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#433353 - 06/24/17 03:30 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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Donny is correct about it being a money pit, and the chances of your ever 'generating income' from it are about 1000/1. The reason is because 98% of musicians already have some kind of home recording capability and the ones that want a quality level above that want a PROFESSIONAL studio way beyond what can be provided in a converted den. They would also want professional level engineering/producer services which you probably can not provide.

Depending on the gear you already have, a home studio for recording your own stuff can range from $500-2000. A 'pro' studio (drum room, acoustic treatment, 'pro' mic drawer, etc.) would probably start at 10-15k and go up to the value of your house (and beyond). The MOST difficult part though, is mastering all the skills necessary to provide professional quality recordings. I hate to sound so negative but, like riding motorcycles on into old age, some things sould a lot better in our imagination than they do in reality. JMO, though. YMMV.

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#433354 - 06/24/17 05:24 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
Donny is correct about it being a money pit, and the chances of your ever 'generating income' from it are about 1000/1. The reason is because 98% of musicians already have some kind of home recording capability and the ones that want a quality level above that want a PROFESSIONAL studio way beyond what can be provided in a converted den. They would also want professional level engineering/producer services which you probably can not provide.

Depending on the gear you already have, a home studio for recording your own stuff can range from $500-2000. A 'pro' studio (drum room, acoustic treatment, 'pro' mic drawer, etc.) would probably start at 10-15k and go up to the value of your house (and beyond). The MOST difficult part though, is mastering all the skills necessary to provide professional quality recordings. I hate to sound so negative but, like riding motorcycles on into old age, some things sould a lot better in our imagination than they do in reality. JMO, though. YMMV.

chas


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#433381 - 06/25/17 07:19 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Offline
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Tx again all for taking your time to reply.

If I fired up my VS2480 recording studio, my goal would be to not stick another dime into it as I already have all the equipment I need. By the way, the Roland VS2480 is still used in for profit recording studios today. It was a piece of equipment way ahead of its time.

Don't know if there would be much or any business. Nearest recording studio is 50 miles away and they charge a flat rate of $75 hour. And again, I'd only do this part time.

I do believe a lot of folks do have their own recording capabilities.

My biggest concern was what format the final product should be in since CD's seem to be on their way out.

Tx again.





Edited by guitpic1 (06/25/17 07:25 AM)
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#433382 - 06/25/17 07:27 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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By the way, this is the DAW I own....long since paid for.

https://www.roland.com/us/products/vs-2480/
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#433383 - 06/25/17 07:30 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
If I fired up my VS2480 recording studio, my goal would be to not stick another dime into it as I already have all the equipment I need. By the way, the Roland VS2480 is still used in for profit recording studios today. It was a piece of equipment way ahead of its time.


http://proaudiodvds.com/store/multitrack-recorders/roland-vs-2480-dvd-tutorial/

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#433385 - 06/25/17 07:42 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
By the way, this is the DAW I own....long since paid for.

https://www.roland.com/us/products/vs-2480/


I have always admired this DAW and still do..... a powerful "Work" station, even now..


Edited by rphillipchuk (06/25/17 07:43 AM)
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#433396 - 06/25/17 01:22 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Offline
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By guitpic1
If I fired up my VS2480 recording studio, my goal would be to not stick another dime into it as I already have all the equipment I need. By the way, the Roland VS2480 is still used in for profit recording studios today. It was a piece of equipment way ahead of its time.


http://proaudiodvds.com/store/multitrack-recorders/roland-vs-2480-dvd-tutorial/


Somewhere I've got these videos. This is the downside of the 2480...not easy to use.
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#433397 - 06/25/17 01:26 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: rphillipchuk]
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Originally Posted By rphillipchuk
Originally Posted By guitpic1
By the way, this is the DAW I own....long since paid for.

https://www.roland.com/us/products/vs-2480/


I have always admired this DAW and still do..... a powerful "Work" station, even now..


Even though this DAW is 20+'years old, there's still an active users forum.

http://www.vsplanet.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=16
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#433406 - 06/25/17 10:28 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
If you have a PC then get yourself a good external MIDI/Audio interface, (Steinberg models are good value) as they come with good software controllers.
Get something like Cubase Elements (Which is quite cheap and will suit a lot of users) to get you going, than as you learn more you can decide how you wish to expand. (Cubase Elements can also be upgraded for reasonable price)
If you’re doing a lot of audio, then Steinberg’s Wavlab elements is a good place to start, and you an usually get both Cubase and Wavlab as a package even cheaper.
If you are going to use your DAW in a live environment, then Ableton Live is a good DAW to go for.
There are also free DAWs out there if you just want to try to see what it’s all about.
If you have a MAC then you are pretty much limited to Steinberg and Logic DAWs (Ableton Live should also now work with the latest MAC OS, but check first)
Have fun
Bill


The remarks about MAC can go to the trashcan, allmost all DAW's have a mac version... espescially The leading ones... cubase, ableton live, studio 1, Bitwig, Reason, Pro Tools, FL studio.. its the other way around Logic, Gadget and some others are only available on Mac... so far from the leading developers only Sonar is not available on Mac... but then they are working on a max version...

In the end however, Logic X, offers so much for the money that its almost a steal when you own a Mac.. thats why its so popular on Mac..

There is a reason most of the professional recording studio's still stick to 'ac OSX, altough windows seems to be closing the gap.. they are still not quite there yet.

I am running on a 2011 macbook that still covers everything i throw at it.. works like a charm... making my €1800 investment a €300/year I dont think there is many cheap windows laptops being used daily surviving that long...
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#433408 - 06/26/17 12:22 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
If you have a PC then get yourself a good external MIDI/Audio interface, (Steinberg models are good value) as they come with good software controllers.
Get something like Cubase Elements (Which is quite cheap and will suit a lot of users) to get you going, than as you learn more you can decide how you wish to expand. (Cubase Elements can also be upgraded for reasonable price)
If you’re doing a lot of audio, then Steinberg’s Wavlab elements is a good place to start, and you an usually get both Cubase and Wavlab as a package even cheaper.
If you are going to use your DAW in a live environment, then Ableton Live is a good DAW to go for.
There are also free DAWs out there if you just want to try to see what it’s all about.
If you have a MAC then you are pretty much limited to Steinberg and Logic DAWs (Ableton Live should also now work with the latest MAC OS, but check first)
Have fun
Bill


The remarks about MAC can go to the trashcan, allmost all DAW's have a mac version... espescially The leading ones... cubase, ableton live, studio 1, Bitwig, Reason, Pro Tools, FL studio.. its the other way around Logic, Gadget and some others are only available on Mac... so far from the leading developers only Sonar is not available on Mac... but then they are working on a max version...

In the end however, Logic X, offers so much for the money that its almost a steal when you own a Mac.. thats why its so popular on Mac..

There is a reason most of the professional recording studio's still stick to 'ac OSX, altough windows seems to be closing the gap.. they are still not quite there yet.

I am running on a 2011 macbook that still covers everything i throw at it.. works like a charm... making my €1800 investment a €300/year I dont think there is many cheap windows laptops being used daily surviving that long...


Have a look round and you will find plenty of Windows laptops (I know at least a dozen) that are older than that, and they were a fraction of the price of a MAC. (Unfortunately a lot of them refuse to change the HDD even though I and other keep telling them that they are living on borrowed time) Remember, the parts in a MAC are the same as in a PC, it’s only the OS and style design that’s different, thus reliability will be at least the same.

I used to prefer Logic over Cubase, however, when Apple bought Logic they stopped making the Windows version, which scuppered that.

During the 80s & 90s Windows PCs were primarily used in offices and for gaming, whereas MACs were mainly used for film, photo and music editing, and as most users prefer to stick to what they are used too, Windows has had a long road to pull in these users, (Not helped by the fact that Microsoft did not start to concentrate on making their OS more compatible until Windows 7, now it’s just as good as MAC, (Windows 10 even follows the MAC philosophy) on the flip side MAC has made no inroads in to the office of architectural realms, so it’s now under serious pressure from Windows PCs. (The Surface Pro is getting more awards than Apple Laptops)

To be honest, since Steve Jobs passed away Apple has lost its way, and needs to think more outside the box like it used too. (Much like Microsoft when Steve Ballmer took over from Bill Gates, fortunately they now have Satya Nadella who is taking the company from strength to strength)

Bill
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#433429 - 06/26/17 12:07 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
If you have a PC then get yourself a good external MIDI/Audio interface, (Steinberg models are good value) as they come with good software controllers.
Get something like Cubase Elements (Which is quite cheap and will suit a lot of users) to get you going, than as you learn more you can decide how you wish to expand. (Cubase Elements can also be upgraded for reasonable price)
If you’re doing a lot of audio, then Steinberg’s Wavlab elements is a good place to start, and you an usually get both Cubase and Wavlab as a package even cheaper.
If you are going to use your DAW in a live environment, then Ableton Live is a good DAW to go for.
There are also free DAWs out there if you just want to try to see what it’s all about.
If you have a MAC then you are pretty much limited to Steinberg and Logic DAWs (Ableton Live should also now work with the latest MAC OS, but check first)
Have fun
Bill


The remarks about MAC can go to the trashcan, allmost all DAW's have a mac version... espescially The leading ones... cubase, ableton live, studio 1, Bitwig, Reason, Pro Tools, FL studio.. its the other way around Logic, Gadget and some others are only available on Mac... so far from the leading developers only Sonar is not available on Mac... but then they are working on a max version...

In the end however, Logic X, offers so much for the money that its almost a steal when you own a Mac.. thats why its so popular on Mac..

There is a reason most of the professional recording studio's still stick to 'ac OSX, altough windows seems to be closing the gap.. they are still not quite there yet.

I am running on a 2011 macbook that still covers everything i throw at it.. works like a charm... making my €1800 investment a €300/year I dont think there is many cheap windows laptops being used daily surviving that long...


Have a look round and you will find plenty of Windows laptops (I know at least a dozen) that are older than that, and they were a fraction of the price of a MAC. (Unfortunately a lot of them refuse to change the HDD even though I and other keep telling them that they are living on borrowed time) Remember, the parts in a MAC are the same as in a PC, it’s only the OS and style design that’s different, thus reliability will be at least the same.

I used to prefer Logic over Cubase, however, when Apple bought Logic they stopped making the Windows version, which scuppered that.

During the 80s & 90s Windows PCs were primarily used in offices and for gaming, whereas MACs were mainly used for film, photo and music editing, and as most users prefer to stick to what they are used too, Windows has had a long road to pull in these users, (Not helped by the fact that Microsoft did not start to concentrate on making their OS more compatible until Windows 7, now it’s just as good as MAC, (Windows 10 even follows the MAC philosophy) on the flip side MAC has made no inroads in to the office of architectural realms, so it’s now under serious pressure from Windows PCs. (The Surface Pro is getting more awards than Apple Laptops)

To be honest, since Steve Jobs passed away Apple has lost its way, and needs to think more outside the box like it used too. (Much like Microsoft when Steve Ballmer took over from Bill Gates, fortunately they now have Satya Nadella who is taking the company from strength to strength)

Bill


Thats mostly an opinion, and it doesnt rectify the wrong facts about apple you posted...
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#433436 - 06/26/17 03:43 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: guitpic1]
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Get the studio going.......

Yes, do your research but most of all enjoy the journey
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#433440 - 06/26/17 05:23 PM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: Steve A]
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Get the studio going.......

Yes, do your research but most of all enjoy the journey


Yes..... That is where the "Fun" is !!!
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#433452 - 06/27/17 03:20 AM Re: Setting up recording studio. [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
If you have a PC then get yourself a good external MIDI/Audio interface, (Steinberg models are good value) as they come with good software controllers.
Get something like Cubase Elements (Which is quite cheap and will suit a lot of users) to get you going, than as you learn more you can decide how you wish to expand. (Cubase Elements can also be upgraded for reasonable price)
If you’re doing a lot of audio, then Steinberg’s Wavlab elements is a good place to start, and you an usually get both Cubase and Wavlab as a package even cheaper.
If you are going to use your DAW in a live environment, then Ableton Live is a good DAW to go for.
There are also free DAWs out there if you just want to try to see what it’s all about.
If you have a MAC then you are pretty much limited to Steinberg and Logic DAWs (Ableton Live should also now work with the latest MAC OS, but check first)
Have fun
Bill


The remarks about MAC can go to the trashcan, allmost all DAW's have a mac version... espescially The leading ones... cubase, ableton live, studio 1, Bitwig, Reason, Pro Tools, FL studio.. its the other way around Logic, Gadget and some others are only available on Mac... so far from the leading developers only Sonar is not available on Mac... but then they are working on a max version...

In the end however, Logic X, offers so much for the money that its almost a steal when you own a Mac.. thats why its so popular on Mac..

There is a reason most of the professional recording studio's still stick to 'ac OSX, altough windows seems to be closing the gap.. they are still not quite there yet.

I am running on a 2011 macbook that still covers everything i throw at it.. works like a charm... making my €1800 investment a €300/year I dont think there is many cheap windows laptops being used daily surviving that long...


Have a look round and you will find plenty of Windows laptops (I know at least a dozen) that are older than that, and they were a fraction of the price of a MAC. (Unfortunately a lot of them refuse to change the HDD even though I and other keep telling them that they are living on borrowed time) Remember, the parts in a MAC are the same as in a PC, it’s only the OS and style design that’s different, thus reliability will be at least the same.

I used to prefer Logic over Cubase, however, when Apple bought Logic they stopped making the Windows version, which scuppered that.

During the 80s & 90s Windows PCs were primarily used in offices and for gaming, whereas MACs were mainly used for film, photo and music editing, and as most users prefer to stick to what they are used too, Windows has had a long road to pull in these users, (Not helped by the fact that Microsoft did not start to concentrate on making their OS more compatible until Windows 7, now it’s just as good as MAC, (Windows 10 even follows the MAC philosophy) on the flip side MAC has made no inroads in to the office of architectural realms, so it’s now under serious pressure from Windows PCs. (The Surface Pro is getting more awards than Apple Laptops)

To be honest, since Steve Jobs passed away Apple has lost its way, and needs to think more outside the box like it used too. (Much like Microsoft when Steve Ballmer took over from Bill Gates, fortunately they now have Satya Nadella who is taking the company from strength to strength)

Bill


Thats mostly an opinion, and it doesnt rectify the wrong facts about apple you posted...


Last paragraph yes, (Although you will find most people in the industry will agree) however the rest is fact, as anyone that has worked with computers over the decades will testify.
As to the programs, then it could have been worded better, ( I can see how it looks as if they are the only two) as Logic & Cubase are the 2 main DAWs used on a MAC, with others being small fry on a MAC compared to Windows or Linux. (I tend to focus on real world use, rather than just what’s available out there in the wild)
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