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#433547 - 06/29/17 08:13 AM Midi Bass Pedals
Bernie9 Offline
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I am receiving Studiologic 13 bass pedals to day to use with my Nord Electro 61 in my band. I have a background with organ pedals, but I haven't had midi pedals since my 1985 Fatar. The only problem with the Nord is that it has but two channels, which means the pedals will be linked to the lower half of the split. By lowering the split point to C2, I can still play ensemble. Unfortunately, I don't play left hand bass.

However, If I used a separate module, I could regain my normal split. I only have an SD2 and SD4 that I use with my sequencer programs. I used to trigger sounds in my old keyboard, and even rhythm. My primary reason for pedals is for a fuller organ sound in a band with no bass player and just a piano to help with the bass.

I would appreciate any thoughts.
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#433550 - 06/29/17 08:18 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Bernie you certainly have your work cut out for you I hope it accomplishes what you need for you and the band...good luck.

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#433551 - 06/29/17 08:22 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Actually, when I am playing organ style, my feet automatically go for the pedals. I was a B3 and church organist for years. Thanks for the good wishes though.
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#433556 - 06/29/17 11:30 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Midi bass pedals usually allow you to choose the channel that they transmit on, so just use a channel that is not being used by the manuals, (Or key split) which are usually channels 1 & 2. (The Nord should be able to receive on any of the 16 channels, so just make sure you match with the pedalboard)

Hope this helps

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#433558 - 06/29/17 12:30 PM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
Bernie9 Offline
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Thank you Bill.

I know that it sends and receives on ch 1-16. When it arrives I will be able to tell if I have to share the lower split.

Bernie
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#433559 - 06/29/17 12:51 PM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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If what Bill suggested does not work on your Nord, Vb3 or B5 in your notebook might be an option. The updated version B5 is excellent. These two apps helped prevent me from buying lots of hardware though I have Vb3 loaded up in a vMachine. I purchased a vMachine for $150 a few years ago when it was discontinued.
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#433561 - 06/29/17 02:56 PM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Actually, I am afraid that is the case in reading Nord forum posts. The splits will a handle only one channel at a time. I have a VB3 and B4 license and I may have to go that route. I remember looking at the vMachine but it was quite a bit of money if I recall. It sounds like you got a good deal.

More later---Ups truck at the door.
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#433563 - 06/29/17 03:06 PM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Bernie,

You can still buy a brand new v-Machine for $149 USD. Free worldwide shipping. This is where I bought it a few years ago. https://gearstation.com.au/products/sm-v-machine-vst-hardware-player

Yes, it used to be sold for $600. Good thing that I didn't pick it up at NAMM when they offered me a dicount. Since you have your VB3 license, all you have to do is enter your license as the plug-in is already loaded in the machine.

I might add that you will see some vendors selling the vMachine combined with SM Pro Audio Classic Keys Collection fro $299. That is an excellent deal, too if you want the plug-ins. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/8...Collection.html

After I bought my v_Machine, I learned about the Keys Collection, but nobody carried it anymore until I saw a dealer in Oregon listing it on eBay. I jumped on it and bought it for around $120. The software itself is worth $500-600 I didn't care for other analog sounds, but I wanted Key Performer, GForce Virtual String Machine(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBTnyxmRzTk), and Lounge Lizzard Session(electric pianos). I run these apps in the v-Machines and my hybrid notebook.


Edited by Torch (06/29/17 03:22 PM)
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#433571 - 06/29/17 11:01 PM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Hi Bernie
I use both the Fatar Studiologic 13 and the Roland PK-6 MIDI bass pedals. The MIDI out default channel for the Studiologic Pedals is channel 1.

Your Nord Electro should have a MIDI Setting Menu. You should have the option of setting the upper or lower split to receive midi channels 1-16 or set to off. Since your Nord will sense all midi channels 1-16, the default output channel 1 from the Studiologic pedals should be fine.

You can also manually set the octave up or down as needed on the Studiologic MIDI bass pedals. On my Roland PK-6 bass pedals, there is a neat function "Octaver Bass" which automatically sends a second midi note signal an octave lower to thicken up any organ voice. Works great on my Tyros Classical Organ voices in Organ world.

Good luck. You have so many options to use the pedals with all your fine keyboards and equipment.

Marcus
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#433579 - 06/30/17 02:01 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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You can use vArranger for it smile
The new version allow to use the MIDI IN 3 to play the BASS PEDAL
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#433582 - 06/30/17 02:47 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Thanks to all. Maybe my long dormant pedaling skills can now be reactivated in many ways. I am looking to other sound sources now, and not be constricted to my old Nord Electro2. How exciting to have endless possibilities. I am hampered, however, by not having the grasp of midi control many of you have. For example, if I go to one of my other boards like the Pa4X, and set up an organ registration in drawbars, how do I direct the pedal board to a suitable bass sound?

I will just have to dig in and learn it. Game on!


Edited by Bernie9 (06/30/17 02:49 AM)
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#433584 - 06/30/17 04:00 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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As I always recommend to newbies, get to know Midi by popping along to this site here to get yourself grounded, that way you will be able to understand what all that alien Midi language is in the manual of your instrument.

Have fun

Bill

PS. To warm your legs/feet up you could always do a quick rendition of the melody from Rimsky Korsakov’s Flight of the Bumble Bee on the pedals. grin
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#433585 - 06/30/17 04:12 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Bernie it’s been a while since I had bass pedals, but let me give a try.

1-Thee bass pedals and the Pa4x must talk to each other through the same midi channel.
2-Use one of the 16 channels that is not being used for the Acc. or control, or whatever else is being used.

On my Kn7000 I selected channel 5, if my memory is correct. When I used an external voice harmony the same thing applied; talking to on the same channel.

If you have 6 channels free; that are not being used, you can control 6 different external units. The bass pedals, a sound module, the coffee pot in your kitchen. Well I’m not sure about that last one. (smile)

I bought a book; Simplifying Midi, big help. If you go deeply into what midi can do (control) it can get very complicated. For what you are doing it not too involved.

The best part of Mr. Bernie A. is that he is always moving forward. Nice!

John C,

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#433586 - 06/30/17 04:56 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
Bernie9 Offline
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Thanks Bill and John.
Through the years I have managed to pick up the rudiments of playing with midi modules and master keyboards. In the case of pedals to an arranger, I can't think how to direct a notes on message to a bass sound in the arranger. In other words channel three is routinely used for bass pedals. What do I set up in the arranger to correspond?
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#433588 - 06/30/17 05:21 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Bernie the 3rd channel is for bass which is part of the Acc. Not what you are looking for.
As long as you use a channel that is not being used on the Pa4x and assign the same channel on the bass pedals you’re home.

Take care, John C.

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#433590 - 06/30/17 06:43 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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Okay John, in following your example, I have the pedals and midi out on ch 5. There is a pull down with choices. It works on Bass and Lower, both of which duplicates the Chord Bass of the left hand.
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#433591 - 06/30/17 07:34 AM Re: Midi Bass Pedals [Re: Bernie9]
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I used Accordion 2 preset, ch 5, to Upper 2 voice. I then choose what bass and set volume. It seems to work as intended on the Pa4X. On to lighter organ solutions before I decide for band use. Maybe a Hammond with a third Pedal channel.
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