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#433573 - 06/29/17 10:22 PM
Korg PA4x just got even better
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#433581 - 06/30/17 01:14 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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#433725 - 07/01/17 02:02 PM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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As is the case with most updates....they fix bugs... This Korg update appears to finally correct blatant mis leading features for years... One of the main reasons you will not find a Korg in my stable  Korg has always mislead folks that the PA series showed chords in files... it did not unless the chords were embedded.. Roland for nearly 20 years has extracted chords from files. Finally if true Korg has solved their extraction problem.. Also Roland's extraction is one of the benefits that make the Roland harmonizer.. what I call a smart vocal harmonizer. . No need to set the harmony voicing or channel for transmitting data... If you guys look closer you will also find that Korg is trying to cover the many flaws in the PA os...and features that are not up to par even with the much lower priced E-A7. It is always nice that we can update our keyboards,,, when they add new features and styles/sounds..it is twice as nice.. Fixing bugs will always be the number one purpose to update.. Yamaha doesn't have a clue about any of this 
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#433751 - 07/02/17 06:12 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Dnj]
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#433772 - 07/02/17 03:08 PM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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#433813 - 07/03/17 09:15 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Dnj]
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Edited by Dnj (07/03/17 09:40 AM)
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#433840 - 07/03/17 11:11 PM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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Are you kidding me? Who’s got the time to learn all these operating systems, and drum patterns, and orchestration, and heaven knows what else and, then try and keep up with the non-musical necessities. Heck, I‘m still trying to lean Windows 10, my GPS, my answering machine, how to turn on the windshield wipers on my car and.......Spanish.
Maybe if you’re 20 years old, topped off with testosterone, living with Mom & Dad, have no personal responsibilities, have no day job and made just one machine a priority for six months at a time.......then there’s a chance.
Then there’s the “robot factor“ again. No machine will ever come near to the interpretation of music like a full symphony orchestra does, or someone like Stephane Grapelli does with his violin. And no machine will ever recreate the many musical nuances in a Strauss waltz to make it sound like a Strauss waltz.
But, unfortunately Donny’s right.......this is where music is going. As Mr. Tr*** would tweet: “sad, very sad.”
Here are some pics of the last surviving live musicians in my area. Their next step is probably the Elephant’s Graveyard. I took them at a large car show with the DJ playing between sets. But even the DJ looks like he can’t figure out his own equipment!
Do you think maybe learning a Maschine would give them some enthusiasm.....or.....help them take the final plunge into the Musician Graveyard?
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#433844 - 07/04/17 12:44 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Mark79100]
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Are you kidding me? Who’s got the time to learn all these operating systems, and drum patterns, and orchestration, and heaven knows what else and, then try and keep up with the non-musical necessities. Heck, I‘m still trying to lean Windows 10, my GPS, my answering machine, how to turn on the windshield wipers on my car and.......Spanish.
Maybe if you’re 20 years old, topped off with testosterone, living with Mom & Dad, have no personal responsibilities, have no day job and made just one machine a priority for six months at a time.......then there’s a chance.
Then there’s the “robot factor“ again. No machine will ever come near to the interpretation of music like a full symphony orchestra does, or someone like Stephane Grapelli does with his violin. And no machine will ever recreate the many musical nuances in a Strauss waltz to make it sound like a Strauss waltz.
But, unfortunately Donny’s right.......this is where music is going. As Mr. Tr*** would tweet: “sad, very sad.”
Here are some pics of the last surviving live musicians in my area. Their next step is probably the Elephant’s Graveyard. I took them at a large car show with the DJ playing between sets. But even the DJ looks like he can’t figure out his own equipment!
Do you think maybe learning a Maschine would give them some enthusiasm.....or.....help them take the final plunge into the Musician Graveyard?
99.9% of arrangers are bought by home hobby players and adding these features in full would scare 99% of them off, however, if released over time they would slot in no problem. (We oldies aren’t going to be around forever) Any youngster these days would pick these features up as quickly as they do a new app, (Mascine is also available as an app) it’s just some of us old fogies that have a problem. Like all technology if you let it control you, then it will sound robotic, however, if you have talent then the world is you oyster? (Plus the way AI is progressing these days even the machine (Robotic) sound will soon disappear) Remember when anything new comes out (Whether it is technology or culture) a lot of the old resist, but most of the young embrace, thus technology and culture moves forward. For a lot of people the above is frightening (Humans have always been resistant to change) but if we are to survive, then it has to be embraced. NOTE: not everything has been good (Hence a lot has disappeared without trace) but those that have stayed the distance eventually become the norm. Bill
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#433858 - 07/04/17 07:06 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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The new OS has improved the midi-to-style function! It takes only a few seconds to convert and save a style automatically from a midi file, and they seem to come out even better than before. The ones I've tried sound very good with no tweaking, but if you change the drums and/or style sounds from GM to Factory they sound even better. It automatically makes Keysets (OTS), intros, endings and in some cases solos!
The new German Piano and Italian Pianos sound great, even though I didn't have a problem with the old ones.
There's a lot to digest in the update, but so far it's all been good.
Someone found a small bug sequence player. It seems if you have two songs loaded, play the first one, then immediately play the second one, the lyrics display doesn't change to the new lyrics. Korg has acknowledged it and said it will be corrected soon. It doesn't affect me anyway as I have never used both players back to back.
I even fooled around a little with the KAOSS feature. It is really easy to use, and I MIGHT use it for arpeggios occasionally, but probably not much. I can see it would be great for some of the new music though.
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#433870 - 07/04/17 08:50 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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Don and Steve, prior to my forced retirement last August, I was trying to find new songs to add to my performances as well. Search as I did, failed to produce anything worthwhile. Newer is not always better, especially when it comes to songs. Both Don and I probably know more songs than the vast majority of the folks in our audiences combined, and as much as I enjoy adding new songs to my repertoire, many of the new songs are not recognized by the audiences, consequently, they usually do not respond well to their introduction. Both Don and I are pretty damned old, but we are keenly aware what our audiences will respond to. Gettin' old ain't fer wimps and sissies!  All the best, Gary 
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#433907 - 07/05/17 08:54 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Dnj]
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#434162 - 07/10/17 08:24 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Dnj]
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#434196 - 07/10/17 11:24 PM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Hi ,
Haven't had a chance to to try the updated midifile convertor as yet. If it's improved, that's great, Don.
Have had a bit of fun with the kaoss arpeggiator function, though probably not something I'd use much. Probably more suited to Dance type music, which is a bit modern for me. Haha.
Seems to work well with my tyros ethereal movie style conversion,, I enjoy soundtracks, so may find some use for it there.
Probably need to read up on it, because haven't got a clue what the other settings do.
Meanwhile,
One thing I'm please about, it appears they have fixed a bug that was really annoying me.
All the xg drum kits I use for my psr conversions, were defaulting to Gm kits, which in some cases made the style unplayable with incorrect drum sounds playing.
I'd updated a number of them with a user drum kit, now I have to change them back. Haha
as I prefer not to use a User Kit, at the time though, it was my only choice.
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#434213 - 07/11/17 07:33 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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Rikki, the midi to style converter IS much improved. Conversions are very smooth and seem to have better intros, endings, fills, and better choice of sounds. On most of them though, I do changes the sounds from GM to Korg Factory sounds in the style parts. I'm finding it quite useful, although in truth I don't use many "Song Styles". That is what they are of course, tailored to a certain song.
It's interesting that a Backing Sequence is created too, so you can opt to use that and be able to use both hands playing the keyboard without changing variations manually.
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#434243 - 07/11/17 10:44 PM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/22/02
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Loc: NSW,Australia
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Rikki, the midi to style converter IS much improved. Conversions are very smooth and seem to have better intros, endings, fills, and better choice of sounds. On most of them though, I do changes the sounds from GM to Korg Factory sounds in the style parts. I'm finding it quite useful, although in truth I don't use many "Song Styles". That is what they are of course, tailored to a certain song.
It's interesting that a Backing Sequence is created too, so you can opt to use that and be able to use both hands playing the keyboard without changing variations manually. Hi Don, I don't use a lot of song styles either. The type of midi files I do like , didn't seem to work that well, may have a bit more luck with the new version. Didn't realise it created a backing sequence. Actually a lot of the old midi files that I thought sounded so great years ago, really don't sound that great anymore . Might put them back in the cupboard. Haha. Spoilt by the modern day keyboard , haha.
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Korg PA5X 88 note
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#435069 - 07/26/17 10:36 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
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Edited by Dnj (07/26/17 12:41 PM)
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#435618 - 08/04/17 11:31 AM
Re: Korg PA4x just got even better
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 06/25/99
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Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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Just follow instructions carefully Duane. First do 2.0, then do 2.0.1.
It will take about half an hour to do so be patient because it is a really big update.
Be sure to follow the directions in the PDF to SAVE your Songbook and any styles in the USER or FAVORITE banks because everything is overwritten.
You will need to redo vocal settings, overall e.q., Locks, splits, slider assignments, controller assignments, etc. Fortunately it is quick and easy to do.
After you reload the Songbook, go through each entry to see if it is still pointing to the correct style locations. Out of 100 or so, I had about 3 or 4 that I needed to re-save, because they were pointing to Factory Locations to which I had written new styles. (I had saved those styles too!).
There are a few things the new OS does differently, but in all cases better. They renamed the Songbook Edit 1, 2, and 3, but they still have the same function.
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altough it does have drum pads 
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