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#433908 - 07/05/17 09:05 AM KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB?
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	first off the kronos sounds amazing.... secondly watch at 13:30 of the demo when KARMA is introduced giving Kronos a Pseudo arranger ability especially with the added "Karma Scenes" Edited by Dnj (07/05/17 09:09 AM)
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#433911 - 07/05/17 10:01 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Dnj]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	karma is so much much more then an arranger or an Advanced arpeggiator in the Montage.. Its also a midi effect generator, that can be used for so many things.. substituting for a very basic arranger is one of them, altough it falls miles short to current arrangers when used specifically in that function.. On top of that, Karma is quite hard to program, when you want to get predictable results.. Maybe you remember the above video, specially made for us synthzoners to show how Karma can be used as an arranger.. Also check out this video : In this more recent video James shows how to use Karma to enhance non synth instruments, after people complained on Korg forums that it could only be really used with synth sounds.. For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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#433912 - 07/05/17 10:08 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Bachus]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By Bachus For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. Ok Bachus I look forward to your karma demo.....its good to hear from a kronos user...lets face it an arranger kb is just that not a synth workstation .....two different camps that both create music in different way...... But having both Together will definitely make a great combination covering so many tasks.... Thanx Edited by Dnj (07/05/17 10:53 AM)
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#433913 - 07/05/17 10:26 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Bachus]
abacus Senior Member Registered: 07/21/05 Posts: 5386 Loc: English Riviera, UK	Originally Posted By Bachus karma is so much much more then an arranger or an Advanced arpeggiator in the Montage.. Its also a midi effect generator, that can be used for so many things.. substituting for a very basic arranger is one of them, altough it falls miles short to current arrangers when used specifically in that function.. On top of that, Karma is quite hard to program, when you want to get predictable results.. Maybe you remember the above video, specially made for us synthzoners to show how Karma can be used as an arranger.. Also check out this video : In this more recent video James shows how to use Karma to enhance non synth instruments, after people complained on Korg forums that it could only be really used with synth sounds.. For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. I wouldn’t really post details like that, so as not to alert the less honest. (Remember the internet is not as anonymous as some people believe) Bill _________________________ English Riviera: Live entertainment, Real Ale, Great Scenery, Great Beaches, why would anyone want to live anywhere else (I�m definitely staying put).
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#433923 - 07/05/17 10:33 PM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: abacus]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By abacus Originally Posted By Bachus karma is so much much more then an arranger or an Advanced arpeggiator in the Montage.. Its also a midi effect generator, that can be used for so many things.. substituting for a very basic arranger is one of them, altough it falls miles short to current arrangers when used specifically in that function.. On top of that, Karma is quite hard to program, when you want to get predictable results.. Maybe you remember the above video, specially made for us synthzoners to show how Karma can be used as an arranger.. Also check out this video : In this more recent video James shows how to use Karma to enhance non synth instruments, after people complained on Korg forums that it could only be really used with synth sounds.. For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. I wouldn’t really post details like that, so as not to alert the less honest. (Remember the internet is not as anonymous as some people believe) Bill Well, this is synthzone, a little honesty never hurt me, i never claimed to be a champ player, and never will, just love making music and discussing gear... Programming Karma is one of the harder things.... true, you can get good results by just trying things, but that works much like programming FM sounds from scratch, you never know what you are gonna get.. but programming Karma freshly from scratch requires a lot of insight... its more like a mathamatical tool, then a musical one... _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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#433925 - 07/05/17 11:00 PM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Dnj]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By Dnj Originally Posted By Bachus For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. Ok Bachus I look forward to your karma demo.....its good to hear from a kronos user...lets face it an arranger kb is just that not a synth workstation .....two different camps that both create music in different way...... But having both Together will definitely make a great combination covering so many tasks.... Thanx Dont get me wrong tough, operating Karma isnt that hard, but getting the results that work well in cooperation with a certain style for a certain song is... I am getting quite some great results with Karma by using the defaults and or altering them slightly.. _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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#433928 - 07/06/17 12:24 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Bachus]
abacus Senior Member Registered: 07/21/05 Posts: 5386 Loc: English Riviera, UK	Originally Posted By Bachus Originally Posted By abacus Originally Posted By Bachus karma is so much much more then an arranger or an Advanced arpeggiator in the Montage.. Its also a midi effect generator, that can be used for so many things.. substituting for a very basic arranger is one of them, altough it falls miles short to current arrangers when used specifically in that function.. On top of that, Karma is quite hard to program, when you want to get predictable results.. Maybe you remember the above video, specially made for us synthzoners to show how Karma can be used as an arranger.. Also check out this video : In this more recent video James shows how to use Karma to enhance non synth instruments, after people complained on Korg forums that it could only be really used with synth sounds.. For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. I wouldn’t really post details like that, so as not to alert the less honest. (Remember the internet is not as anonymous as some people believe) Bill Well, this is synthzone, a little honesty never hurt me, i never claimed to be a champ player, and never will, just love making music and discussing gear... Programming Karma is one of the harder things.... true, you can get good results by just trying things, but that works much like programming FM sounds from scratch, you never know what you are gonna get.. but programming Karma freshly from scratch requires a lot of insight... its more like a mathamatical tool, then a musical one... Hi Bachus I was talking about the advertising in the paragraph just after you mentioned the video; it’s certainly not something you want to happen twice, so best not to advertise. Bill _________________________ English Riviera: Live entertainment, Real Ale, Great Scenery, Great Beaches, why would anyone want to live anywhere else (I�m definitely staying put).
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#433931 - 07/06/17 05:43 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: abacus]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By abacus Originally Posted By Bachus Originally Posted By abacus Originally Posted By Bachus karma is so much much more then an arranger or an Advanced arpeggiator in the Montage.. Its also a midi effect generator, that can be used for so many things.. substituting for a very basic arranger is one of them, altough it falls miles short to current arrangers when used specifically in that function.. On top of that, Karma is quite hard to program, when you want to get predictable results.. Maybe you remember the above video, specially made for us synthzoners to show how Karma can be used as an arranger.. Also check out this video : In this more recent video James shows how to use Karma to enhance non synth instruments, after people complained on Korg forums that it could only be really used with synth sounds.. For 2 years now, i have been trying to integrate Karma into my arranger performances, its not as easy as it sounds... remember me to post a video of this when i get home from vacation next week, i will see if i can show you some integration.. I wouldn’t really post details like that, so as not to alert the less honest. (Remember the internet is not as anonymous as some people believe) Bill Well, this is synthzone, a little honesty never hurt me, i never claimed to be a champ player, and never will, just love making music and discussing gear... Programming Karma is one of the harder things.... true, you can get good results by just trying things, but that works much like programming FM sounds from scratch, you never know what you are gonna get.. but programming Karma freshly from scratch requires a lot of insight... its more like a mathamatical tool, then a musical one... Hi Bachus I was talking about the advertising in the paragraph just after you mentioned the video; it’s certainly not something you want to happen twice, so best not to advertise. Bill Advertising? I have no clue what you are talking about? _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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#433932 - 07/06/17 06:02 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Bachus]
abacus Senior Member Registered: 07/21/05 Posts: 5386 Loc: English Riviera, UK	[quote\] Hi Bachus I was talking about the advertising in the paragraph just after you mentioned the video; it’s certainly not something you want to happen twice, so best not to advertise. Bill [/quote] [quote\] Advertising? I have no clue what you are talking about? [/quote] I've sent you a PM Bill Edited by abacus (07/06/17 06:05 AM) _________________________ English Riviera: Live entertainment, Real Ale, Great Scenery, Great Beaches, why would anyone want to live anywhere else (I�m definitely staying put).
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#433973 - 07/07/17 04:02 AM Re: KRONOS + KARMA = Arranger KB? [Re: Dnj]
spalding1968 Senior Member Registered: 09/19/08 Posts: 1264 Loc: United Kingdom	All this shows to me is how completely unique and flexible and easy to use the modern arranger is compared to the best workstation . Was not impressed with any of the arrangerish functions of karma . Could not see a real world scenario where I could use its functions in an arranger way . The beauty of arrangers is that although they are predictable in terms of looping patterns , they can be programmed to sound human . I have yet to hear a karma demonstration that sounded remotely like s human was playing .
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