Did you ever wonder why the ipad pro got so expensive..

Thats because the 2017 version outperforms almost all Intel laptops out there.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/14/ipad-pro-versus-macbook-pro-speed-tests/

I was looking into this for the bigger screen, just for music reading. But this power could make it a replacement for virtuall instruments as well. Or Cubasis 2 for editing midi and audio

The ipad Pro model 2017 performs just as strong as any intel i7 notebook out there. And that makes the huge price more acceptable..



With so much processing power on board, it seems only a matter of time, before someone creates a high end arranger for Ipad.

Its main stumbling block is that it doesn’t run a full version of the MAC OS, so software designers will need to redesign their software for iOS, whereas at the moment it’s mainly Windows or MAC (With some Linux) which with so many laptops (Or 2 in 1) available that can already run pretty much all the software out there, it’s going to be a hard sell.
After having said that, a lot of manufactures are developing software for iOS, but the software for iOS is a pale imitation of the full version.
Still, always good to have options.
Bill

Bachus, I thought you were going to say the iPad Pro 2017 got so expensive because it is now built in the US. In that case, I would cheer for and support Apple. Sorry for being political a bit here, but it just doesn’t sit very well with me that Apple a company that takes privacy too seriously to cooperate with our own government and yet allows China to have a server in Beijing where they collect the data of Chinese users of Apple devices and block a number of apps in Hong Kong, China, and Taiwan at the request of China. I stopped using one of the best web browsers “made in China” after a computer security company noticed that this Chinese made browser sends user data on a regular base to a server in Beijing without the user knowing about it.

Other than this, what Bill said about OS came to my mind. It’s not just sheer muscle power, but the OS that really counts.

First off... the only thing that counts is making money for Apple, and if that takes using chineese labour slaves then they are obviously okay with it... i wish this was different.. but its not only apple but most multinationals choosing this path.

And then about the OS, the OS is not a minus for the ipad, but a pro.. all older OS and the programs running on them are burdened with old code making things slow and over complicated. OSX is by most insiders seen as the most efficient client OS available..

And since apple is opening up the filesystem with the next upgrade, it seems they are making another step. OSX's future is mean and lean apps/programs that exactly do what you want.. for music making, ever since we have seen audiobus which creates both audio as wel as midi routing network on the ipad, IOS might have a huge future because its so easy to take it everywhere with you and still have the power of a desktop in your pocket.

We might even see the opposite of what Bill just said, and that is IOS comming to macbooks in the future, ....

Bachus, "Opening up the file system?" That's interesting. The IOS is becoming more like a desktop OS. I see all your points and actually I agree to every point you made. I was on the other side of the same coin. I, too, like the efficiency of the IOS and I had been wondering if it will ever come to laptop. I don't think MS neither Apple will ever merge their junior OS with the desktop OS. What do you think? I toyed with using Android in my PC, but Microsoft will doesn't really allow PC manufacturers to run dual OSes.

With all the power of the new iPad Pro 2017, there needs to be apps that can do something like Mainstage, VSTs, and all that.

Thanks for the great information.

After lots of consideration I recently purchased an iPad Pro 12.9. I’m running the beta version of iOS 11 that will be released to the general public this September. This latest release is impressive iPad,performance is outstanding. I echo Bachus comments in his original post. I primarily purchased it for my photography hobby, the camera on the iPad Pro is impressive as well. IOS and OS X are getting closer with every release. This may not be a replacement for a MacBook Pro laptop it’s getting close........yes the opening of the file system is a real plus.

Just have a look at these 2 video's they show that virtual instruments on the ipad have grown close to whats on Windows.. same quallity, but a heap cheeper.

http://keyszone.boards.net/thread/400/icathedral-classical-music-ipad

The churchorgan is incredible versatile, and miroslav uses the same libraries as on PC..

Keep in mind tough, that when using the ipad as an instrument, you want atleast the 256GB version of the pro..

Ithis is Beatmaker 3, the most advanced DAW for Ipad
Its only €20 and offers all you will probably need.

I currently have a budget Windows 10 tablet that I use mostly for web browsing, media consumption, email checking. I find the idea of using this to integrate with my keyboard very interesting, but it doesn't have the processing power or storage capability.

I always thought of iPads with a usable anount of memery as exepensive but comparing an iPad pro to a Microsoft Surface or other high-end windows tablet / 2-in-1 then it doesn't seem so expensive after all.

Also with Yamaha producing a lot of Apps these days (and I have a T3 and P255) the appeal increases, despite my long-term antipathy to "the way of Apple".

About a decade ago, the antipathy was against microsoft, now its against apple...
The antipathy is most of the time against the succesfull companies, because they make so much money by selling the best product for a price a huge amount of people will still pay.

just wait a while this will all be ancient in a few years and beyond

Definately true, but no reason to wait a while..
Waiting for things to happen while doing nothing brings you nowhere..

I guess you can look at it that way also Bachus,...buy, use, enjoy, rinse, repeat, life is too short. personally for my needs nothing beats a laptop.

Nothing wrong with that... as long as you realise there is more and other options that could benefit you if your requirements changed..

My mind & eyes are always open when it comes to music!!

I know... 😝

Thats why you need to see this video..

Audiobus, is what makes the ipad such a versatile thing when it comes to using it as a host for aditional sounds... its both an audio router as wel as a midi router.. its easy to operate with huge results.. this is one of the things OSX has to offer above windows..

very interesting bachus thanx for the heads up...

No one could have said it better.

Talking about open mind, the other day I jammed together with a bass player who plays "metal." I know that he doesn't represent the whole metal players, but he really didn't know much. He ended up asking me to play classical stuff. So I played a Mozart for him. I think the jamming helped him open his eyes for more traditional stuff that he had perhaps thought boring...

Btw, you forgot to open up your ears when it comes to music! Sorry. I couldn't resist it. Kidding aside, I agree with Bachus the IOS may not do some of the full desktop stuff, but since it is a more app based device than PCs, depending on the app, it is extremely fast, handy, effective, and efficient.

Hi Bachus
I've used my Ipad 2 model for years, and have holding off to upgrade to the Ipad pro, after seeing what the capabilities and new features might be on the upcoming Yamaha Genos model.

The music apps and app utilities in combination with your arranger keyboard are limitless and work really well through the Apple devices. However, I am stuck with ever increasing limitations with my present iPad2 model in regards to speed, processing power, and memory, but the Pro model would certainly address these issues.

I looked at your virtual instrument app examples. The best Pipe Organ apps are from Markus Sigg and I used the Pitea, Burea, and Jeux d'orgues pipe organ apps.
Jeux d'orgues by Markus Sigg, Organ for iPad Demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdXCimenJg8
What makes the organs sound really good is the builtin Convolution Reverb option. My iPad2 doesn't have the processing power or memory to run this reverb, but certainly the iPad Pro could.

Also MIDI Apps like Audiobus 2 can instantly allow switching from one organ app to another on my iPad2. Haven't uploaded the Audiobus 3 version yet, but MIDI capabilities keep getting better. The MIDI Wrench app now has 64 bit and Bluetooth LE MIDI support.

Another great drawbar organ type app is the Galileo Organ.
Galileo organ iPad app.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWRa_1Lmnuc
You can get some really wild sounds and effects different or to add to any arranger keyboard setup. Worth checking out.

The iPad virtual pianos still are poor quality. Even the audio samples from the Ravenscroff 275 Piano app are less quality then the worse piano sample on the Tyros 5. Even at over 800mb, the Ravenscroff doesn't sound that good to me.

I have seen some nice apps that work well with your Korg PA4x, just as Yamaha has nice apps that work well with their arrangers. I am presently using the Yamaha Music soft app with Dropbox to automatically manage files (WiFi)to and from my PC and the Tyros 5.

As I say, I most likely will upgrade to an iPad Pro, but waiting for the Yamaha Genos model first, to see how well that combo can serve me into the future. Maybe I won't need that largest iPad pro model if the Genos has a nice size screen to view sheet music.

Enjoy your posts and topics.
Marcus

Another review of the iPard Pro 12.7 2017.

http://www.alphr.com/apple/1001968/apple-ipad-pro-review-when-ios-10-arrives-itll-be-even-better-1