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#436543 - 08/26/17 07:12 AM Pa4x Jazz Trio demo
Dnj Offline
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I enjoyed listening to this demo on you tube, really shows off the "LIVE" sound on the KORG Pa4x cool2

.....thoughts?


Edited by Dnj (08/26/17 07:14 AM)

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#436564 - 08/26/17 08:27 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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[video:youtube]https://youtu.be/yOipQD_o5LQ[/video]
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#436568 - 08/27/17 03:34 AM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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Definately shows here why the PA4x is 3 times as expensive as the EA-7

Good find Fran to show us how good and live the PA4x sounds in comparrison to other keyboards..
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#436571 - 08/27/17 06:47 AM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Definately shows here why the PA4x is 3 times as expensive as the EA-7

Good find Fran to show us how good and live the PA4x sounds in comparrison to other keyboards..


I agree bachus you get what you pay for in SO many ways..the Roland EA7 has it's place in the market but don't be fooled it's not in the same league as the KORG Pa4x or Yamaha Tyros5, Ketron SD9, by any means for so many reasons.


Edited by Dnj (08/27/17 06:58 AM)

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#436590 - 08/27/17 12:08 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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Does anyone know where this style JAZZ TRIO is I don't see it in the Pa4x or musikant styles? is it aftermarket or?


Edited by Dnj (08/27/17 12:09 PM)

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#436591 - 08/27/17 12:17 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Does anyone know where this style JAZZ TRIO is I don't see it in the Pa4x or musikant styles? is it aftermarket or?


Is it a style? No information with the youtube, so could also be a midifile...

Easy to transfer midi files into styles tough on the pa4x
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#436592 - 08/27/17 12:23 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Bachus]
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that has got to be sequencing imho

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#436593 - 08/27/17 12:59 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Scott Langholff]
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Originally Posted By Scott Langholff
that has got to be sequencing imho


No.... bothh sequences and styles are nothing but midinotes in the end...
But if its a style, its definately much longer then 4 measures..
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#436594 - 08/27/17 12:59 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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So you get what you pay for smile


Here is a demo I could control.. My earlier post was just to show variations....

Compare apples with apples.. grin

How things are recorded, who played, and the instrument are all factors..

This is a custom style, played over, and captured as a wave file..

I ran it thru MixCraft 8 to mix down to a 320 bitrate MP3..



I drive a $3,000 Buick... My friend drives a $30.000 Mercedes...
Mine is bigger, more comfortable, better mileage, cheaper maintain cost.

I don't lose depreciation at a high rate.. and don't worry about shopping carts.. smile

So you get what you pay for...

You are better off being open minded...

BTW: I spent a week comparing the PA4x side by side with the EA7 and G70.. I am quite sure no one here has done the same...
I can't even get a Korg owner to come over and do a side by side...

Don't make statements as a matter of fact when you are clueless.. confused

The PA4x is a great keyboard ... up there with the Ketrons..

Are they over priced ... you bet.. I will stay with 1/3 the cost for now... That other 2/3rds can buy a lot of waffles with strawberries and icecream wink


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jazz swing.mp3 (75 downloads)

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#436595 - 08/27/17 01:17 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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There are many GREAT Jazz styles on the Pa4x that outshine any arranger KB on the market imo,
....I just liked this one in the demo....no big deal I'll just email him and find out if its a style or not no biggie.


Edited by Dnj (08/27/17 01:45 PM)

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#436596 - 08/27/17 01:19 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
There are many GREAT Jazz styles on the Pa4x that outshine any arranger KB on the market


Gotta love that honeymoon phase. Tick ... tock .... tick ...... tock ......
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#436598 - 08/27/17 01:37 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Originally Posted By Dnj
There are many GREAT Jazz styles on the Pa4x that outshine any arranger KB on the market


Gotta love that honeymoon phase. Tick ... tock .... tick ...... tock ......


Maybe you forgot this is my SECOND Pa4x and that says alot..
....it's like getting RE Married, Silent Slabs Matter..... cool2 lol
...just sayin' wink



Edited by Dnj (08/27/17 01:48 PM)

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#436601 - 08/27/17 02:10 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
Fran Carango Offline
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Here is a more realistic style demo.. smile

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#436602 - 08/27/17 02:49 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Fran Carango]
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This is one of my favorite Jazz Standard songs (see link below). Using Tyros 5 "AcousticJazz" Jazz Trio (Session style) - Real Brush drums, S.Art SoftAcBass, S.Art Concert Grand, and adding S.Art2 JazzSax solo instrument.

Sounding "Live" has nothing to do with the arranger keyboard. Korg simply set their default reverb to a more dry ("live") ambience to most of the default styles and voices, as apposed to Yamaha using a more processed default, beyond the typical small room/stage environment.

The user of the arranger keyboard can easily adjust the reverb, other DSPs, and pan positions to match any acoustic environment.Just because some of the Korg's more basic styles and voices use just the acoustic or "live" feel to small stage or room ambience doesn't make a Korg arranger more "live".

You are not going to mostly put a Jazz Trio in a large auditorium or simulating big reverb, rather more appropriately in a small room setting or the so called "live" sound.

More importantly is the quality of the DSP effects or reverb quality in the case of a style or voice sounding "live" in it's acoustic environment. I personally really like the Tyros5 Real Reverb DSP and use it in the Mixing Console Reverb DSP Block for all my voice, song, multipad, and style channels.

You can either use the preset Real Reverb selections or manually adjust the parameters to accurately simulate any acoustic environment and with the higher quality voices on the higher end arrangers, you get the "Live" sounding effect in any environment.

I used the Real Reverb on the Tyros 5 to closely simulate a small stage environment with the AcousticJazz Jazz Trio style, adjusting the Reverb time below 1 second, Initial Delay at 4.8 ms, and High Damp at around 7.0 KHz. Also important to use a realistic drum kit, or in the case of the AcousticJazz style, the RealBrushes. I can also use 4 expansion Realbrushes drum kits equally as authentic.

Regards, Marcus

AcousticJazz.Tyros5.mp3
https://app.box.com/s/1dlbfg6glmmtd7yp6u8ry85hdclq7ofh
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#436603 - 08/27/17 04:38 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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Marcus thanx for sharing your work really enjoyed it.

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#436606 - 08/27/17 06:28 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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Marcus, very nice job with that tune!

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#436611 - 08/27/17 08:45 PM Re: Pa4x Jazz Trio demo [Re: Dnj]
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