Hi To All,
This is my first attempt at Real Time Recording and Punch Recording, and I have a question. Let me set up the scenario: I have recorded a track of my song using just piano. On top of that I have added my other tracks with various instruments. However, when I recorded the piano track, my fingers weren't paying attention to the melody of the music and did their own thing --- alright, I admit, there were three places in the music that my fingers didn't mind! I went back and Punch Recorded over all three mistakes. One of the mistakes starts where I have a block chord on beat one in the bass. -- Keep in mind, the error was in the melody. Now when I play my song back, the notes in the melody are corrected, but at the beginning of the measure I hear that block chord played twice. First a quick chord, then the longer duration chord. I know that I can go in and edit it out, but wonder what caused this. Is it common when punch recording? Is it a timing issue where on the initial recording I was ahead of the beat to begin with? Can somebody explain this to me so I don't make the same mistake again?
Carol

[This message has been edited by Sissle (edited 01-23-2002).]

Hi Carol
It's likely that when you pressed punch in, it was immediately after the chord you wanted to replace. Quite often with realtime recording we discover that we are not metronomes and that those notes we thought were on the first beat of a bar, are actually at the end of the previous bar. It might be worth checking this with step record & edit before deleting the erroneous notes.

yes, choose a punch in point without any note overlap across the measure start.

the quick chord is your original playing, cut off quickly by the punch in measure, followed by your newly played chord.

easily edited out with the note edit page.

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the prompt reply. That is what I suspected -- my original track that I recorded was slightly off the beat. Will now check much closer before I decide where my starting point is for Punch Recording.
Carol

Carol, remember also that it is a lot easier to do if you set up one of your pedals to do the punch in and keep both hands free.
BEBOP

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sorry, I think it is far easier to use auto on.

the in and out measures are then rock solid in advance and do not depend on any co-ordination with the feet, you can concentrate entirely on the new section of performance.

Hi Carol
Whilst you are just finding your way with RealTime recording, you might try the cycle play facility. This allows you to hear (all tracks) one or more bars over & over, then clear the offending track, re record it and keep clearing and replaying until it's just how you want it.

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Hi John, BEBOP & Technicsplayer,
Thanks for the cool suggestions. I will try them all. Also, Technicsplayer, I think your comment is also appropriate. I can already imagine that each method suggested will have its value depending upon the circumstances of what I want to edit. Can't tell you folks how much fun I am having recording in tracks! (Makes me wonder why I only used "Easy Record" previously.) Wow, the "special effects" you can add to a song when laying it down in tracks is really great! Am playing around with trills, bells, echos, etc. to fill in those long rests or add to the performance. Makes me wonder why anybody would spend their money on a regular piano! Carol

Hi Carol,
Do you want to share your work with other Technics players, me for instance. Can you send me some of your home-recording products?

Greetings,
Albert.

Hi Albertg,
Man, you are one brave fellow! I don't think you want to hear my playing. Nobody else does either! I play strictly with headphones -- even my hubby seldom gets to hear me play. I am just a lowly amateur at this music stuff. Couldn't play a note until 4 years ago when I started taking lessons. Maybe someday when I get really good, I will will have some music to offer this forum. Until then, I will continue learning from all you pros!
Carol

Carol, I know exactly how you feel because I do the same thing. If I even think someone is listening to me, my fingers turn into thumbs and my mind goes blank. Once the recording is done, then it doesn't matter as much, but sometimes I still cringe when I listen to myself play. Luckily, some people with low expectations like my playing, so the small amount of encouragement keeps me plugging along. Be happy - play!

Bud,
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. I do so love to make the music even if it only sounds good to my ears! Nothing like playing late at night, headphones on, letting it all "hang out" and really enjoying yourself play! (It's all good then, no matter how many mistakes you make!) Tickles my innards all the way down to the tips of my toes!
Carol

You might like to try using th auto-punch feature so that you don't have so many buttons and notes to deal with at the same time. You can also program on of your pedals to be the punch in/out switch

Hi,
Glad I'm talking to people on the same level. I own a KN6500 because it sounds good, not because I'm a pro. The headphone is for the benefit of the rest of the family. All your questions and the answers just inspire me to experiment with the features of the machine. I have never tried to do a recording in the pads for instance, but now that I read how it has to be done I dare to try.

Have fun,

Greetings from Holland (thats the excuse for the terrible English)

Albert.

Hi Albertg,
Your English is just fine! Doesn't matter if it isn't anyway, as long as we can understand what you mean! It is great to hear that I am not the only "less than great" player on this forum! And thanks for the vote of confidence for posting what I consider sometimes my "stupid questions"! I think fear of looking stupid prevents many a person from posting on forums. However, as you can tell, my enthusiasm far outweighs my brain power sometimes! Plus, if us "newbies" don't have a place to ask our dumb questions, how in the world will we ever learn? Reading the technical manual that came with our beloved instruments sure doesn't help much! Anyway, I am glad I have inspired you to try some new things. Let me know how you are progressing! And, I hope this post gives some of the people out there the courage to post their questions without fearing criticism.
Carol

learning how to use something new does not make you stupid... if that was the case we were all stupid in the past...

He Technicsplayer,
Your response was way cool and very much appreciated, especially coming from someone like yourself who has so much knowledge in this field! Thanks!
Carol

Hi Carol
we've all been down that road on that part of the learning curve & on occasions still get caught out which goes to show we are all only humans
Regards Johnnie

Carol ..... Lack of knowledge does not translate to stupidity in any language ... I've learned a LOT from the people on this forum just from the inquiries of folks like yourself who have the interest and courage to attempt new things, and ask about them ... and the members here, such as technicsplayer, Gunnar, John North, Bebop, Bud, Johnnie, (the list goes on and on), are always looking to help out in the best interest of us all, never to put anyone down, or ill at ease .... these people are so nice I may even attempt to share some of my music (as vanilla as it may be) with them some day.... keep trying new things, don't be afraid to ask, and enjoy your music... and while my wife enjoys my playing, (I think!?!), there have been many nights when "I'll be up in a couple of minutes, dear" has turned into a couple of hours under the headphones......
t.