Music Finder and Registration
I am looking for opinions on how to set up my songs in the S970 Yamaha.

1-Use the Music Finder to find and play your songs.

2-Use the Music Finder to find the song. Then select a Registration Bank with eight band set ups that match the type of song you are playing. (Voices)

3-Use a bank with eight Registrations which give you eight variations of the same song.
I hope what I have written is clear enough.

What method do you feel is the best – and why???

My Technic Kn7000 did not have a Music Finder or a Song Book -- The sheet music had the style and tempo written on it. The bank had eight variations I could use. There were ten banks with eight memory registrations. Each bank had a different type of band. Latin, Big Band, Slow rock, Disco –Ect.

Whatever your suggestion is it will be appreciated.
John C.

John,

My preferred method with Yamaha most recently has been:
1. Use the Music Finder to play songs. For each MFD entry I would assign a keyword. Then depending on the gig I could use the keyword to Search 1 or Search 2 in the Music Finder and I’d have just the song entries I needed. It’s the closest thing to Korg’s Songbook ( albeit less powerful ) and that’s why I started using Music Finder.
2. I use(d) registrations for change the voices. For the most part I used a set of 8 registration buttons for my most used voices. Always worked well for me. I also have other registrations for just pianos, just Hammond sounding organs, saxes, brass, etc.

I used the Music Finder most of the time, and on rare occasions I used registrations, all of which were categorized. The chords for each song were pretty much in my head as were the lyrics. However, there were times when I need some assistance with both, and for that I had my 9-inch netbook PC, which was mounted on my custom console. When I went on breaks, which was very, very rare, I just clicked on either a lengthy midi file in the netbook, or fired up an MP3 from the netbook.

For my special voices, I kept them in my Expansion/User file where they could all be seen on a single screen and instantly accessed to R1 or R2, or L. Sure made life easy.

Here's a video I did a few years ago that demonstrates the ease of using the music finder on the fly, thus eliminating dead time between songs. Please overlook the mistakes as this was one of the first demo videos I tried to make and was a bit nervous about all this.


Good luck,

Gary

I used Registrations only--no Music Finder. I would have one bank per song. That way you can always see a list of the songs, and they were automatically put in alphabetical order.
I used the first Registration of the Bank to call up the style, text, etc., and the voice I wanted to start with. The other seven Regs I only used to have instant access to seven more voices. I would actually have some go-to styles in them, but when the Reg. Freeze was on, only the voices would change--nothing else.
It worked great for me.

I do exactly the same as Don.

Bernie

for Yamaha kbs I never used Music finder, doesn't save transpose & text to small,. I used 1 registration per song, with 4 ots sounds..8 songs per page in specific folders,..in this department KORG does it right with "SONGBOOK"

Donny how does the Roland AE7 handle song registrations?

John C.

John.... Ea7 uses a UPG system.... Easy to set up songs for instant recall or search find7er also... 10 on a page... And the beauty of having two displays too. It's all in the manual.

Steve, Gary, Dom, Bernie, and Donny, thank you; you guys are always right there.

Steve and Bernie we think so much alike it’s scary. I think it’s from the Technic days. Donny, short to the point, that helps. I find that reading the E A7 manual without having the keyboard is difficult. Don, I never gave a though to the Freeze button, great idea.

This is one of Synth Zone’s great features – A good part of what I have learned over the years has come from this place.
Thank you again, John C.

Don if I used “One bank per song” and I have about 150 songs – and the registration displays ten songs I would have fifteen pages of registrations.

I have a friend who uses the same system with more songs than I use. It would take time to find and select the next song.

John C.
PS, I like the idea, but I must be missing something.

John put a 1 before each song this way the MFD will list all the (1) songs filtered by genre in alphabetical order first on the list as you scroll thru....

Question.

As an example, I might use three registrations for variations on a song(one song per Bank method)

Let’s say I’m playing the first registration of a song and I decide to change tempo. Does that mean I have to go to registration 2, change tempo, save, then go to registration 3 and again change tempo, save?

I’m assuming there is no way for me to save a tempo change to all three registrations at once?

I understand ‘freeze’ might work but I’m not sure I understand it.

Tx

"Let’s say I’m playing the first registration of a song and I decide to change tempo. Does that mean I have to go to registration 2, change tempo, save, then go to registration 3 and again change tempo, save?"
If I'm understanding the question, yes, it means that when you originally set up the bank, you will need to set up #1 like you want to start, then make your tempo change, and save that to #2. You can use FREEZE to keep anything else from changing when you use it. Or you can elect to have other factors change. FREEZE is a very powerful function.
Of course Yamaha's archaic system means you have to resave the BANK before you leave it or your changes will be lost.
It's the best way I found to do songs such as Suspicious Minds without using a midi file.
And if you plan to also use any of the other registrations for that song, you'll need to save the proper tempos to them too. Then resave the damned Bank again.
Also, as I recall, Yamaha doesn't have a button for Tempo Lock, so be sure that parameter is set properly, since it is difficult to do on the fly.
You will probably make a boo-boo or two, but once you have it done, the work will be over.

Tx Don,

That helps. Korg’s Songbook sure makes life easier for this type of thing.

Gotta say though that the S970 is a nice sounding instrument...especially given the price.

And Genos is three times the cost of an S970??? 😳😳😳

Baby Genos or whatever they call it (G980) when released at winter/summer NAMM 2018? will be the next exciting arranger to stir the masses......with stiff competition from KORG Pa1000 & others......
hang in there lol

For me to get interested, the keyboard would have to have:

1. A decent keybed.
2. Sliders
3. Good vocal processor
4. XLR mic hookup.

😊

you already have that stick with what you got KORG Pa4x

Yup

I started to use Musicfinder exclusively lately:

1. First thing I did was use YamahaRegManager to change all my registrations to a Musicfinder file in one single batch processs.
2. Next I included the key in which the song to be played at the end of each song name entry.
3. Then I rename the styles to the song name and store all these styles in the same folder.
4. All other settings are stored in the OTS settings of the style i.e. volume levels, all voices, nultipad etc.

The above procedure really works GREAT for me!

so I guess Yamaha hasn't updated the MFD to included SAVE SONG TRANSPOSE & Adjustable MFD Font Size YET?... Korg songbook is the best..& even the EA7 Saves Transpose using the Finder feature ...

Donny, from what I have read, the Genos does save the transpose to the MFD.

Gary

can anyone with a genos confirm this please?....

Tthere’s no longer a Music Finder on the Genos. Instead any registration you save can be added to a Playlist. That is Yamaha’s new system. The Playlist is very similar to Korg Songbook, you can have any number of songs in multiple playlists. With that said any registration you put in a playlist key changes come along just because you are using a registration. That part is no different a registration is a registration. In my opinion the “goose that laid the gold egg” is the ability to add registrations to playlists. Seems Yammie finally took a play out of the Korg Songbook feature.

As far as MFD files you can import them and can then they are imported into a Playlist. Each MFD entry is entered as a single registration in the number 1 position of the registration bank. From that registration imported from the MFD system you can build on that registration and if needed you can fill all 10 buttons with what you need. As a side note you can order the playlist of tunes/SMFs/audio files in any order you choose.

One thing I did leave out you can add tags to the registrations, tags simply being genre, era 60s, 70s etc., jazz, show, rock, dance etc. They included a search feature too so you can search by any criteria including the name of the registration. They have come miles with this new system.

Thanx Seven.... How about Playlist font sizes?

Fonts are bigger than what we’ve had on the PSR and Tyros series.

OK so that's a No.. Thank you

Thank you Steve for the pics of the Playlist on GENOS certainly a Big difference compared to Tyros & S series units for sure.....
Text & Font seems big bold & bright a big improvement for sure..

Donny, You’re welcome, with 10 entries per page it is easier on the eyes.