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#445622 - 01/30/18 05:34 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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#445627 - 01/30/18 08:09 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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Donny, to me it's not the money itself, because if Genos are as good as some say, I'll keep it and have lots of fun for many many years. Cost divided to years will most likely be a cheep price for the fun. What make me ask if it's really worth the price, is the huge pricegap between the TOTL competitors as i.e PA4X-76. Is genos that much better that it defend the extra dollars? What made me pull the trigger: 1 - Got a OK deal, my T4 are a part of it. 2 - Desided not to add PA4 at this point, but rather try stay at one single keyboard/brand. 3 - All the Yamaha software already present in my archive. 4 - Genos is the Yamaha arranger that in my ears sounds best by now, the 76 keys and it looks just great. But, if the delivery are going to be dealyed much more than a couple of weeks, it's big chances we're heading for another pricedrop, and a new deal can be even better than this one. EDIT: Just got confirmed that Genos, speakers and some "in pack stuff" is ready to ship from the dealer, and will be picked up tomorrow. Well, it's going to be a exciting weekend.
Edited by Gunnar Jonny (01/30/18 09:58 AM)
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#445628 - 01/30/18 09:09 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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If I had years left to live, I would have purchased the very first Genos that came in Frank's store. In reality, the price is not all that high and during the years I was still on stage, I spent far more than that on gasoline to and from the jobs alone.
Like nearly everyone on this forum, I have not had the opportunity to pass my aging fingers over the Genos. However, from everything I have heard in the way of demos, it appears to be the most amazing arranger keyboard ever.
That said, I know of three Genos owners that either sold theirs, or returned them for a refund. In all three instances, the chief complaint was that it was not set up for an onstage entertainer. However, in digging deeper into their reasons it turned out that none of the three used the very features that made it easier to perform on stage and transition from one song to another in a timely manner. They did not use registrations or the song list, but instead, selected each style from the listings at the top of their sheet music that they stored on their I-pads or tablets. None of them could play without having sheet music in front of them, and only one provided vocals. All. however, agreed it was the best sounding keyboard they have ever heard.
All the best,
Gary
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#445631 - 01/30/18 09:31 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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Thanks Gary. Knowing the reasons for disapproval makes a whole lot of difference. as the reasons wouldn't affect us.
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#445632 - 01/30/18 09:35 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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Does anyone know if the Genos does a good job of displaying scores on Midifiles like the Pa4X. My 970 does a half assed job, but nothing like the Korg.
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#445636 - 01/30/18 11:04 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Having been in the retail business for many years, I can assure that it just doesn't work that way, Donny. You sell a few more, not lots more, the profit margin is very small, but the amount of work and overhead remains the same. It would be akin to lowering your price to $50 an hour for performances, and working twice as many jobs - whoops! What's wrong with this picture? All the best, Gary
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#445645 - 01/30/18 01:17 PM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2029
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
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If I had years left to live, I would have purchased the very first Genos that came in Frank's store. In reality, the price is not all that high and during the years I was still on stage, I spent far more than that on gasoline to and from the jobs alone.
Like nearly everyone on this forum, I have not had the opportunity to pass my aging fingers over the Genos. However, from everything I have heard in the way of demos, it appears to be the most amazing arranger keyboard ever.
That said, I know of three Genos owners that either sold theirs, or returned them for a refund. In all three instances, the chief complaint was that it was not set up for an onstage entertainer. However, in digging deeper into their reasons it turned out that none of the three used the very features that made it easier to perform on stage and transition from one song to another in a timely manner. They did not use registrations or the song list, but instead, selected each style from the listings at the top of their sheet music that they stored on their I-pads or tablets. None of them could play without having sheet music in front of them, and only one provided vocals. All. however, agreed it was the best sounding keyboard they have ever heard.
All the best,
Gary Spot on Gary, I see 2 main problems about complaints on the net: 1. People want to make their Genos sound like their old KB. The Genos has a new sound engine and sounds different. If people load their old setups it will not sound to its full potential. I started from scratch knowing this. And WOW what a difference in sound to my old KB. 2. People want the Genos to behave like their old one. Again big mistake. The Genos has a new OS with lots and lots of cool features. To me it is an Entertainers dream machine. As Gary said: use registrations and playlists and you are set. Now there are 10 instead of 8 buttons. Yay! Plus with the assignable sliders adjusting parameters on the fly is a breeze. Since Genos is a new concept it will take time to take advantage of all the features. As Donny always says: "dig in" Very true. There are some that don't want to spend the time and then they are disappointed. Another complaint is the price. LOL Who pays the advertised price? I got an Amazing deal from Frank at Audioworks. Well worth it. Plus I got a good deal on my T4. Upgrading didn't cost that much. Is Genos for everyone? Of course not. Thank God. That's why we have Korg and Roland. They produce amazing gear. I auditioned The PA4X on my last trip to Europe. It is an amazing TOTL KB with lots of goodies. Just not for my needs. Is my Genos better than the PA4X? Of course not. It is different. Both have amazing sound and style engines and amazing features. Just a matter of priorities ... Or if you have money and a good wife like guitpic you get both LOL I for one are very happy with my Genos. It inspires me to make music every day. But I am also happy to see others post their tunes with their KB. Isn't this what this forum is about? We live in great times with great gear at our disposal. We should be happy about it and less complaining about it Just my 2 cents. Eric
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#445651 - 01/30/18 01:57 PM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: Gunnar Jonny]
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2029
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
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......... We live in great times with great gear at our disposal. We should be happy about it and less complaining about it Just my 2 cents. Eric Thumbs up for your post Eric. Yes sure we live in great times, and probably have lived the best times ever so far if look at future predictions. But we have a saying around here: We're not healthy and fresh if we don't complaint about something. Btw, got a message that Genos is on the way to my adress. Going to be a exciting weekend..... LOL Great saying. Congrats on your Genos. Hope you'll like it as much as I do mine. If you do, you'll be in for a wild ride. Eric
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#445672 - 01/31/18 03:00 AM
Re: Genos on the way
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 09/21/02
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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I can't speak of the Genos, but I prefer using the sliders on my Audya when I want to inc/decr one without involving the other. It is very fast and easy.
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#445724 - 02/01/18 03:18 AM
Re: Genos on the way
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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I view it as a definite plus.
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