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#446130 - 02/08/18 05:37 AM
Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018
[Re: Nigel]
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How about one of you folks providing us with YOUR definition of a Pro Player. My definition is simple, someone that plays for a fee. Therefore, I guess I was considered a pro player because it's what I did for a living for more than 30 years. It was my sole source of income for more than 20 years and the only thing that changed during the past decade is that I had to take my retirement, something I didn't want to do, but it was required by law when I hit age 70-1/2. When I was a freelance outdoor writer, I was considered a professional writer/journalist. It was what I did for a living, often in conjunction with playing music and being a Pro entertainer. I know a large number of pro players, all of which own and exclusively use an arranger keyboard. What's wrong with this picture? Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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#446138 - 02/08/18 07:09 AM
Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018
[Re: Nigel]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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How about one of you folks providing us with YOUR definition of a Pro Player.
My definition is simple, someone that plays for a fee. Gary, with all due respect, that is the weakest definition of a professional I've ever heard. To me, a 'professional' is defined by a combination of TRAINING, COMPETENCE, AND EXPERIENCE. If Quincy Jones (or any top producer) requests you for a session, you are a professional. If you play in a major symphony orchestra or Broadway production, or touring with a MAJOR music act, or teaching music (exclusively) at the high school level or above, or recognized by your peers as such, you are a professional. A back-room abortionist can practice his/her 'craft' for 30 years (and make a good living at it) but that doesn't make them a doctor. There IS such a thing as a semi-professional; 'semi' because they're missing one or more of the key components that signifies a true professional. Most true professionals also belong to multiple professional music organizations and most have certifications of some kind to attest to their level of professionalism. Aviation is a good example. Everyone even remotely associated with aviation knows what a 'professional pilot' is and nobody is going to consider you a 'professional' just because you've got 30 years flying a Piper Cub (at 2000ft in fair weather). I say all this because I think it's disingenuous to say that just because someone is paid a fee for something, that makes them a professional. He MIGHT be a professional but he is not automatically one. The two guys I play with (jam with, actually) are true professionals while I, on the other hand, am a true amateur. Because we're all retired and do it for fun, they tolerate me, but when they were working 'pro's', they probably wouldn't have given me the time of day. Now, I'm in a position to learn from the best and I'm enjoying it immensely. Hey, I only responded to this post because; 1. You asked. 2. I don't think the word 'Pro' or 'Professional' should be thrown around lightly. Glad you asked, though. I like meaningful dialog. chas
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#446142 - 02/08/18 07:22 AM
Re: Yamaha Montage at NAMM 2018
[Re: Nigel]
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Edited by Dnj (02/08/18 08:25 AM)
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