I note that they've fixed the theatre organ sounds on the 7000 (the 6500 ones were rubbish.)

All they need to do now is fix the crappy string sounds (thin and harsh desribes them), and then I might buy a technics keyboard

My O My, did you get out on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

strings can be layered and effects can be added. That can make all the difference in the world! But maybe you didn't know that?
Some human voices at a lower volume in the mix with the strings and butta boom. wow
Tony

All they need to do now is fix the crappy string sounds (thin and harsh desribes them), and then I might buy a technics keyboard[/B][/QUOTE]

If I were you I would not bother because it probably would not like you either

I could put you in touch with someone else who might of bought a KN if his assessments were fixed and you both could console each other. You all could combine your rubbish and your crappie stuff with his cheesy stuff and disappointments and have a mutual admiration society sort of thing going. Please don’t be disappointed if technics does not cry if y’all don’t own one.

Grandpa Doug

I can't understand why someone should be so negative and scathing on their first appearance on this forum. A scan through the postings on this forum will make it quite obvious that his opinion is not shared by the majority of KN7000 owners and others who have had a chance to audition the keyboard. Still - I suppose it takes all sorts and he is entitled to his opinion.

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Willum

Bill,

You are a design engineer and I own my own construction firm and landscape nursery. I as well as you find it difficult to understand some of the negativity and scathing remarks on this forum. Of course this is only my personal opinion, but I would say what we need is a musician with the background of a psychologist. Is there such a combination lurking out there? This trait comes in all forms. Some just bluntly spew their remarks for no apparent reason. Then others will butter us up with a few good points and then stick it to us with how cheesy and deficient our choice of boards are in other aspects. Oh, how disappointed I am! This tact is taken so they can pompously declare they are even handed and just trying to be fair. Rot, that two faced baloney irks me. It irks me especially when juiced up with the comparison that their boards, at a much less cost, can do what my board can’t do at three times the cost. Must be so because they are Pro! The end result being the insinuation I am an idiot in my choice. When I voice my opinion of this process of denigration I am pegged an ogre of some sort by a few of the same mindset. We now have both ends of the spectrum. Is there some one out there who can explain this? Could be I’m all wet. I have been skewed in the way I think in the past. Some love negativity and some, like me, hate it. Why? There must be a reason. Why!!!

Grandpa Doug

Well Doug. I have the kn6500.
For me, There is not a keyboard out there that is the best in every way. They all have their pro's and con's. There are boards out there that are better in some aspects, but most to me don't measure up to my 6500 when I average it all out. I have brought up a few weak points about the 6500 myself, hoping someone would suggest a way to beef them up. And I have also posted ways to do so. I don't think I am a bad guy for posting weak points, as long as my intent was right, and not just to slam the kn series. I tend to analize a lot also. That's just me. I am a perfectionist. And I like my originals to be the best they can. I admit one time I got pissed about the sequencer, and I know you remember. haha. Speaking of that, I am doing quite well with it now. As long as I use right1 and 2 last and don't copy from them. Which is no problem not to do. But why must everyone get so upset when people post a negative opinion about one aspect of the kn? After all we all paid a lot of money for it and can sometimes be a bit disappointed with one or two things about it. But this Garrett guy, doesn't even own a kn, and Because of that, I didn't care to see his post. What was the purpose, I asked myself. But anyways, there isn't a board out there without weak spots. Maybe in the 10's of thousands of dollars there is a perfect board. kn's have a lot of bang for the buck. While some sounds are a bit weak and thin. They can be beefed up with effects etc... and I think the user friendliness of the kn6500 and 7000 is unmatched by any board out there! The layout of the 6500 is perfect. Who wants to flip through menu's for everything? Not me. For you 6500 users who play beefed up sounds using effects and play it loud, and have to put up with the display pull up window rattling away: Sticking a piece of rubber, or a match book down in the crack on the back side of the lcd pull up part will stop that rattle. I used a piece of rubber. Stuffed it down in there with one end to big so it won't fall in. I think a full book of matches would not fall in if the small end was put in first. Not sure, I have no match books here. This is just an example how posting something negative can work out good. It gets people thinking, and someone comes up with a solution or a fix for it. I posted about the rattle and came up with the fix myself but if I had been happy enough with it, then it would still rattle today!
Sparky.

Sparky, you I understand and know where your coming from. You are right about nothing being perfect. Yes that is correct. I have no problem with any one suggesting week points in their particular products. Perhaps the manufacture will be informed of these and address them in their next offering. I know you were very frustrated with the sequencer at one time. I think all of us have at one time or another vented our frustration in a negative manner, condemning the thing instead of seeking help with it. In my opinion people respond to a call of help with eagerness but are repulsed by unjustified judgment. I think we all learned a good lesson with our exchanges on this matter. Sparky, I in no way had you in mind in responding to the issue at hand. In fact I admire your sincereness and good attitude in the way you approach things. Sometimes we just have to count to ten before our frustration overcomes us. Yes, I also have my 6500. I also have a love thing going with it. I am in the process of joining them both together, the 65 + 7, at their midi cord. Double the pleasure. What do ya think? Will it be too much for me? Will there be jealousy when I take only one to do her stuff in front of people? Can the newcomer match the old pro? Time will tell! Anyway Sparky, glad to hear from you and thanks again for all your positive suggestions and concerns for the welfare of the forum and of us percipients.

Grandpa Doug

Gee Doug,
That was really nice of you. Glad to see that is old hat now. And I didn't think you had me in mind. I wondered just a bit but tried to see it with an open mind. I simply expressed my feelongs towards the whole issue. I was bored. haha. Often times I write or talk when I am bored.
As far as joining the two boards at the cord, wow. haha But if one of them gets pregnaunt, I want one of them babies!
And you are very welcome about my concern. I do like to help out when I can. I remember when I first found this forum. It was when I got my technics. 6500 was my 1st decent board. And I remember being in need of info with the manual being so brief, and getting fast and good help! That was wonderful. But I knew jack about it and couldn't offer anything back. As a man who has pride and doesn't like to take anything if I can't do something in return, I ended up turning towards other ways I could help out on the forum. Instead of technical issues directly with the kn's. It all adds up to me being greatful for this forum being here. It has become less and less useful as I learn more about my 6500, but still as enjoyable. I like to think, I have a place here now. Even though I have not made myself a favorite here. hehe. But you know, I can swallow my pride quite easy when I need to. And things have a way of smoothing out with time. As you have surely showed me with your last post. Thanks again! I will just look at it as a lesson learned. I do realize my approach was not the best. And very poor about the sequencer. One can't change the past. But one can avoid the same mistakes. haha Anyways,,, I think I am just talking to hear myself talk at this point. LOL So I am going to bed. haha
Tony

Theatre organ sounds on a KN6XXX no good? Try layering some. As a starting point any theatre organ preset on R1 at a level of 127. Add Tibia Chorus on R2 at level of around 118 and lowered 2 octaves. On left modify Theatre Accompaniment by adding a 16' voice at a level of 80 and lowered 2 octaves. Set the overall Left level around 76. Feed the output through an external amp/speaker combination with some real bass response and compare the difference with the basic voices.

Cheers

Len C.

Hi Doug and All.
I've just looked at the Profile of this super critic. No Occupation! No Interests!
Registered 30/11/2002. I think that says at all, don't you. It could be a wind up, I suppose. If it was, it looks as though it worked.
Pete B.
p.s. I wonder if he knows about the Modulation Wheel

Peter,

Yes, I also looked at his profile and you are absolutely right. Altho he has a perfect right to keep his occupation, interests and other things private, I think we could relate to each other better knowing a little of each other. But each to his own. Incidentally while were on this subject, what in the world is ORLA MONTOVA 2?? A game? A girl? A type of music? Your wife? And while were at it, what happened to ORLA MONTOVA #1. You don’t have to tell me but you sure got my curiosity up! Let me guess. Because your a baker, an ORLA MONTOVA2 is the new improved version of the first ORLA MONTOVA you baked? Is that it? Yes? NO?

Back to the subject at hand. Why do people do the things they do? What in the world prompted this fellow to say what he said? Not only that, but on his first post just becoming a member. Sounds like he might be a tad bit unhappy about something. You may have put your finger on his evaluation. The Modulation wheel!!! That I could understand. Anyway let’s give him a chance to explain himself. I, for one, would like to hear from him again to see the why of his statement. After all, I have in the past stepped out on the wrong foot in a few situations. I was very thankful for a second chance, so let’s give this fellow a chance to have a second start. What do you say?

The modulation wheel! Oh the wonder of that little wheel. So round and plump. Sitting so bold in a sea of silver. Waiting to be touched. Touch me, move me she cries. I will get your attention. You WILL remember me. Just touch me and see. I touched her with my guitar and we fell in love. Pete, have you had an affair with her and what do you think?

Grandpa Doug

Something tell me, this garrett guy never intended on posting more than that one post. First off he filled in only the required fields to sign up. Second, he doesn't own a technics. Third, I think he is just one of those people who go around making a negative difference in the world. If there is a positive difference he can make, he won't waste his time. That's my guess anyways. Maybe he is just upset because he can't find a keyboard to his liking within his price range. He obviously has tried both the 6500 and the 7000, and is still looking. I remember when I was looking to buy a good keyboard. I found things about all of them I looked at the I didn't like. Finally I had enough money to spend on one to find one that I could be happy with and do all the things with it i wanted to do. He must be spending time in music stores and going home disappointed that he can't afford to buy what he sees. That used to be me. Checking out great keyboards only made me wish I could afford one I saw! haha I knew I would have been happier if I never went into the music stores and teased myself by seeing all the great things I could have if I only had the money. Looking at it from this angle "if I am correct", I can see how easy it can be for him to be upset. His radio shack keyboard must be irritating as ole heck! ha ha. Maybe one day he can afford something better. By then they just may make one he will be happy with.
Tony

Hi Doug.
I agree with you about the privacy. It's not that we are all a nosey lot of folks but it's good to know something of who we have contact with. The Montova 2 is a long story. It is my latest Organ. I have had more Organs than there are states in the U.S. I have kept quite a few dealers in business with my part exchanges and upgrades. You probably don't see much of the Orla company in the States, they are an Italian companyand they make a very nice sound probably similar to the Gulbransens. One of the manufacturers you will know is LOWREY. I bought the Heritage about 7 years ago and this was a superb instrument and I had that for 5 years until a dealer persuaded me to
do a straight swap, this time a Roland AT70 and after about 18months in a moment of sheer madness I thought that I would like Digital Piano and went for a Roland KR577. This proved to be the worst purchase I have ever made and found it to be totally frustrating and over compilicated, even for me , and I have been playing all kinds of keyboards/organs for over 50 years. So, thats where the Montova 2 comes into the picture. I couldn't find another LOWREY so I settled, at great damage to my pocket money to go for the ORLA MONTOVA 2,once again in a straight exchange deal. (Oh yes! there was a Montova 1, but I didn't have one of those).You'll now just have to watch this space as I have seen a LOWREY HERITAGE in one of the local dealers but am holding back because he wants to much for it and I think that if I wait awhile he 'll be glad to get rid of it at a price that i'm willing to pay
Regards
Pete B
p.s. We're all coming to Florida on the 19th December so I'll be looking to see if the LOWREY dealer is still in the Shopping Mall at Branston(I think thats it). It's somewhere on the road to Tampa

Peter,

I think you mean Bradenton. I to have gone thru the organs...Hammond Chord, were I was self taught to make noise, was my first.......probably before you were born.

What a shame this great Forum has turned into a tit for tat about rotten posts.

I think if we ignore the posters of such silliness, they will go away by themselves and we can go back to positive thoughts about the instrument that brought us here....Technics!!

cheers to all the great folks on the Forum,

Fran in Florida

Now that makes sense! Don't waste your time on the wackos!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fran in Florida:
[I think if we ignore the posters of such silliness, they will go away by themselves

Sickness feeds on it’s self. We have societies in this world. Some are civilized and some are not. At this moment we are having untold troubles with less than civilized societies. This country of ours must do something about people that cause trouble. And we do. Wackos as you call them. Will the wackos go away if you leave them alone? Not in societies, in our personal lives nor anywhere else. Not until some kind of action is taken to control them. Silly do you call them? Wackos? At the very least aggravating. I would say verging on the edge of being agitators with a chip on their shoulder in many cases. Why do you think other countries, societies and organizations have so much trouble? Because trouble makers are left unchallenged. They feed on each other. This phenomena can be seen on all kinds of these forums. A while back we had a number of people on this forum bent on fault finding, negative comments and as you would call it silliness. Wackos? Just leave them alone and they will go away? If you want to put your head in the sand and believe that, go ahead. Not I! I am not a pacifist. I see it as a disease. A disease needs to have action taken to fight it. If left alone it spreads. Just take a look back a few months and see for yourself. A host of silly wackos. Some of us did something about it and got chastised by the pacifists. The result? We have not had much of silliness, as you call it, until this last outbreak. If you will take the time to review all the posts, I fail to see how this forum has turned into a tit for tat thing about rotten posts. I happen to see people receiving a lot of help with their musical endeavors. I see much encouragement given. I see many thank you’s given. I see people with a wealth of knowledge sharing freely. Maybe you are blind and can only see the negative. Not me! You like the tit? You don’t like the tat? Maybe the other way around? If you like some one telling your choice of board has a cheesy this or that and any PRO knows you need this or that to have a decent board, go ahead and enjoy it. I suppose you like it rubbed in that he only spent less than a thousand for his with all the pro stuff on it and you spent more than triple with nothing that a PROFESSIONAL needs. Don’t say anything and it will go away? Would you like to count his posts? Did it go away? No! Others started to chime in with their fault finding. If you think a troublemaker will go away by themselves you never have read any history or are not living in the real world. I have wished for many things but never got them without working for them. I know a lot of people who wish they could play music but put no effort into achieving that end. Good luck!

Grandpa Doug

Hi Fran. I've just had a look on my my of Forida State and I see thet it is Brandon on the outskirts of Tampa going towards Haynes City. Highway 90 I think, but don't hold me to that
Regards
Peter.