As many know, i have a 2 keyboard setup, kronos(lower) pa4x(upper)

When playing long term on the upper keys, i get fatigued more and more espescially in the shoulders.. its getting worse the last few months, to a level where its really affecting my daily routines.

the problem resolves, if i put the upper keyboard lower.. and a bit more forward... but then i can't use my Kronos anymore.. so thats not really an option..


anyone else recognising this?

That's why I always play a single kb... never had the need for double KB when I can do anything with one..Too awkward using two, especially on the road who wants to carry all that gear..... But we all play differently,.... Years ago I found that A-frame kb stands work best for multiple keyboards and are more comfortable to reach... Good luck.

https://lm-products.myshopify.com/collections/standtastic-keyboard-stands

Yeah, I have the KMA in upper position, also connected to run BK-7m.
Bought a adjustable Mapex drummer seat to bring me in more comfortable hight when sit play both upper and lower keys.
I feel it's much better this way, but when only play Genos, I'm using the 'good old office chair'.

Yes. Same with me. No real solution as it gets more pronounced as we get older and more arthritic. If most of your (lifetime) playing has been at the piano (level), the muscles just aren't trained to handle this unnatural position for prolonged periods of time. Multiple manual organist fare a little better. I have a keyboard (VP770) on top of my organ (KeyB Duo MkIII) which has a flat top so that the VP770 sits directly on top of the organ without interfering with the organ controls. Since I only use it sparingly (the VP770), it's not a problem. However, in my studio where I have (two sets of) multiple keyboards on one stand, it's a big problem. In fact, I don't think I could play a live gig with that configuration.

The only partial solutions I can think of is to compromise a little and make the bottom KB as low as you can comfortably play it and move the top keyboard closer to the bottom one but further back so as not to obstruct the controls on the bottom one. Also, consider some arm/shoulder exercises to strengthen the shoulder muscles. You may need to consult a trainer for this. An alternate solution is, of course, an 'L' configuration (doesn't work for me). Good luck.

chas

Most problems are down to poor posture, (Particularly if you are coming from singe keyboard play) however here are some links for organ that may help with position.

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Bill

I too have this problem since setting up both my boards, Tyro 5 bottom and SD7 on top. I thought this was a problem unique to me as I have been diagnosed with Peripheral Polyneuropathy which does make my arms and legs fatigue very quickly.
I find that if playing the upper board for a roughly half to three quarters of a standard length song my hands tend to hang onto the keys rather than press then release but having seen this thread then maybe it is not my condition but age which is the problem.

Alan.

Sometimes I start to consider using several keyboards and then I say to myself “STOP!”. It just seems that when you’re comfortable, you can do so much more just because of this comfort. Even when it comes to typing some text it’s obvious that you want all the buttons to be in the right place.

I might sound ignorant, but I’d say that using few keyboards at once is a little bit “retro”.

Here I am, 7 years ago… Retro! :

Retro or not, very nice playing by a young talented guy.

I don't consider that as being Retro. Retro to us older players is probably 1950's, 1960's and early 1970's.

However, that said, I envy you your talent Kabinopus. I have reached the ripe old age of seventy one and would love to play as well as you. Alas that is not to be.

Alan.

I think a good solution to this is to have them on two seperate keyboard stands and have them shaped like an "L". If you need more flexibility you can use a drum throne that swivels. I have done it both ways and they both have their pros and cons.

Bill, posture is indeed very important..
So i ave changed my position a few years back based on tips and advise for piano playing..
The result, there is barely any fatigue when playing the lower keyboard..

The problem is the upper key, that in a 2 fold setup is just to far above the piano keys..
When i want to archieve the same for organ position, i need to make a chane to my seup.. replacing the lower keybed with a blind keybed (just keys) like the kawai vpc 1 or even the crumar seven when it arives with 88 keys, also a yamaha cp4-stage piano would work... and best would be a doepfer lmk-4

https://www.thomann.de/nl/doepfer_lmk4_88_gh_black.htm

However, this would mean i would have to miss all the features i love of the kronos in my setup. And thats not something i want..

Another option would be the L-shape, but i never felt comfortable with that..

The reason of my setup being 2-fold is not having 2 keybeds, the 88 keybed of my kronos allows me to play almost everything... the reason that i have 2 keyboard is that i want 88 keys and an arranger and the high end workstation synth features and piano in a single setup..

The only way I can see to archieve that right now is by adding modules to an 88 key... because their is no all in one solution at the highest level..

Sadly with my current 2 instruments i see no, way to overcome the core of this problem... i however am currently solving this by playing the pa4x over midi from the kronos, which works well except for the gact that buttons and sliders on the pa4x are out of reach for the prefered quick changes.. and there is only 5 pedals on my ec-5

I do understand this is a luxourious proble...

Mabe this would make a great keyboardstand for a 61 key arranger?
They also plan on making an 88 key.. which would combine well with a 76 key arranger..



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