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#451323 - 04/30/18 05:20 PM
Re: How to fake playing an arranger ...
[Re: Impuls]
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It is therefore clear that the audience does not care at all whether you make music yourself or not, but how you present it all.
Impuls
I respectfully disagree. It depends on the audience and the venue. If you tried 'faking it' in a jazz club (YES, they're still around), you'd get run out of the place. If the audience is there for THE MUSIC, they are not going to be nearly as accepting as those that are there to be 'entertained'. Also, is it a 'listening' audience or a 'dancing'/let's party, ya'll' audience. There is also the question of QUALITY. A really good singer/arranger player is always going to trump a bad band. But where the quality is equal, and given a reasonably sophisticated (and sober) audience, the band is almost always preferable. Of course, this is all theory as I've never personally seen an arranger player in any venue in all my 99 years on this planet. Maybe I need to get out more? chas
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#451334 - 05/01/18 03:46 AM
Re: How to fake playing an arranger ...
[Re: cgiles]
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Loc: Netherlands
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It is therefore clear that the audience does not care at all whether you make music yourself or not, but how you present it all.
Impuls
I respectfully disagree. It depends on the audience and the venue. If you tried 'faking it' in a jazz club (YES, they're still around), you'd get run out of the place. If the audience is there for THE MUSIC, they are not going to be nearly as accepting as those that are there to be 'entertained'. Also, is it a 'listening' audience or a 'dancing'/let's party, ya'll' audience. There is also the question of QUALITY. A really good singer/arranger player is always going to trump a bad band. But where the quality is equal, and given a reasonably sophisticated (and sober) audience, the band is almost always preferable. Of course, this is all theory as I've never personally seen an arranger player in any venue in all my 99 years on this planet. Maybe I need to get out more?chas I mostly agree , but here in europe you see arranger in bands and a lot of solo entertainers use them ,for 20 years ago live bands where populair , but that time is realy gone , the youth only wants to listen to DJ's ( in smal places like bars and clubs) ,Festivals are a total other leage . When we play for audience with my band , the average eage is about 50 years. ( we know good music) :-) most in small places and playing for fun ( not payed) . Impuls
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#451344 - 05/01/18 07:59 AM
Re: How to fake playing an arranger ...
[Re: Eric, B]
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I agree, Chas, you really need to get out more. Gary
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#451350 - 05/01/18 09:59 AM
Re: How to fake playing an arranger ...
[Re: sparky589]
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Fran is right. About 20 years ago, the producer of a successful area band (7 top 10 albums in the last 20 years) asked if I would work with an upcoming country singer on guitar. I listened to him. He played like George Jones, Blake Shelton, Randy Travis, Toby Kieth and the like...almost no ability at all. He wanted to sound like John Meyer, Brad Paisley or Amy Grant's husband, a personal favorite, Vince Gill.
I told him that, right now, developing his stage presence, showmanship and repertoire was more important.
He made major bucks standing there holding that "prop" guitar and is now semi retired. About once a month, he stops by where I'm working with friends. He introduces me as his former guitar teacher, who advised him to "GIVE UP"!
We all have a good laugh. He's a good guy....TERRIBLE PLAYER!
Russ
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#451394 - 05/01/18 09:06 PM
Re: How to fake playing an arranger ...
[Re: Eric, B]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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If I recall correctly, there was a TV band that was a total fake, but they turned their fakery into a mountain of money. Just cannot recall the name of them right now. Gary
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