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#451561 - 05/05/18 01:55 AM Wersi OAX and Ketron
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Some interesting combination videos are being uploaded, here which should also help with others that want to add a Ketron to their setup. (It also proves what a valuable asset AJ is for Ketron)

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#451568 - 05/05/18 05:19 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: abacus]
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Wersi is more an organ then an arranger
And having ketron styles with your Wersi is a huge asset for arranger type players..

Even in OAX the Wersi styles still can’t convince me..

This youtube account has a wealth of information for people interested in Wersi
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#451631 - 05/07/18 05:11 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: abacus]
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Wersi OAX & Ketron SD40 connections



Basic Setup

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#451870 - 05/13/18 06:41 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: abacus]
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#451872 - 05/13/18 07:04 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: abacus]
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Will Wersi incorporate & merge Ketron technology inside their keyboards down the road for future Wersi models and what does this say for the existing Wersi styles as they are already that they need this great improvement and Adrenalin shot using Ketron Styles? What is really happening here behind the scenes?

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#451875 - 05/13/18 07:46 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Will Wersi incorporate & merge Ketron technology inside their keyboards down the road for future Wersi models and what does this say for the existing Wersi styles as they are already that they need this great improvement and Adrenalin shot using Ketron Styles? What is really happening here behind the scenes?


Wersi OAX instruments are first and foremost an organ, they just happen to have arranger features as well, (Arranger keyboards came from the easy play features of organs of the eighties) and as organ play is different to Arranger play the styles are made to suit, (Start playing the lower manual and pedals with arranger styles and the styles completely fall apart as no arranger can keep up) the main concession that Wersi made for those wishing to learn how to play organ after the limited flexibility of an arranger, was to allow T2 styles to be loaded natively but still sound as if they were part of the instrument. (Rather than something tacked on)

OAX instruments have access to professional sounds used in professional film and music production studios via VST, so hardware sounds are not really necessary, but as some people like a particular type of sound, (Korg, Roland, Yamaha etc.) the ability to control the hardware like it was part of the instrument was added.

As to the future, they are constantly being updated so it’s a wait and see, (There should be another big update soon as it’s that time of year (Although early year updates are usually more feature and sound based rather than backing which comes later in the year) they are supposed to adding style conversion (through a partnership with EMC) for all the main manufactures though.

If you just want an arranger then spending on an OAX instrument is not for you, (There are plenty of cheaper good quality instruments out there) but if you want to be able to play all types of music, have an instrument that doesn’t become obsolete every 3 or 4 years, (Requiring you to trade it in to get the next new one) gives you the ability to use professional sounds (Way beyond what you get in most hardware instruments) and will literally grow with you, then a Wersi OAX instrument is ideal.

The choice is yours

Bill
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#451879 - 05/13/18 08:32 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: abacus]
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According to Kurt from Wersi USA, its sadly not possible to program the style buttons on the wersi to controll the Ketron sd40..
It seems the buttons dont send midi over global.. which normally would be the way to do so..


Makes me wonder how Carlo (memeber :ketron user) programmed his Wersi controlls to controll Varranger? Would be a nice programming Job, if the wersi controlls dont send out midi over global.



Edited by Bachus (05/13/18 08:35 AM)
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#451880 - 05/13/18 08:43 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Originally Posted By Dnj
Will Wersi incorporate & merge Ketron technology inside their keyboards down the road for future Wersi models and what does this say for the existing Wersi styles as they are already that they need this great improvement and Adrenalin shot using Ketron Styles? What is really happening here behind the scenes?


Wersi OAX instruments are first and foremost an organ, they just happen to have arranger features as well, (Arranger keyboards came from the easy play features of organs of the eighties) and as organ play is different to Arranger play the styles are made to suit, (Start playing the lower manual and pedals with arranger styles and the styles completely fall apart as no arranger can keep up) the main concession that Wersi made for those wishing to learn how to play organ after the limited flexibility of an arranger, was to allow T2 styles to be loaded natively but still sound as if they were part of the instrument. (Rather than something tacked on)

OAX instruments have access to professional sounds used in professional film and music production studios via VST, so hardware sounds are not really necessary, but as some people like a particular type of sound, (Korg, Roland, Yamaha etc.) the ability to control the hardware like it was part of the instrument was added.

As to the future, they are constantly being updated so it’s a wait and see, (There should be another big update soon as it’s that time of year (Although early year updates are usually more feature and sound based rather than backing which comes later in the year) they are supposed to adding style conversion (through a partnership with EMC) for all the main manufactures though.

If you just want an arranger then spending on an OAX instrument is not for you, (There are plenty of cheaper good quality instruments out there) but if you want to be able to play all types of music, have an instrument that doesn’t become obsolete every 3 or 4 years, (Requiring you to trade it in to get the next new one) gives you the ability to use professional sounds (Way beyond what you get in most hardware instruments) and will literally grow with you, then a Wersi OAX instrument is ideal.

The choice is yours

Bill


Maybe some people want both...
and they dont want to choose between Wersi and an arranger but combine them..
Which could very well be possible as we have seen Carlo do with Varranger.

Personlly i like the idea of having the best of all in a single instrument..
A partnership with Varranger could work miracles for Wersi..
Looks like Bemore Organs allready did this..
as they are supporting all 4 style types Varranger also supports.

Dont get me wrong, i think the OAX really has a lot going for it..
If there ever is an OAX module... or OAX piano.. i might go for it..
Espescially if its possible to integrate the best arrnager styles with it...
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#451885 - 05/13/18 10:39 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
According to Kurt from Wersi USA, its sadly not possible to program the style buttons on the wersi to controll the Ketron sd40..
It seems the buttons dont send midi over global.. which normally would be the way to do so..


Makes me wonder how Carlo (memeber :ketron user) programmed his Wersi controlls to controll Varranger? Would be a nice programming Job, if the wersi controlls dont send out midi over global.



It’s the same as OAS then, however all the commands in OAS/OAX are done via Midi so it’s a feature that could be easily added.

Bill
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#451886 - 05/13/18 10:41 AM Re: Wersi OAX and Ketron [Re: Bachus]
abacus Offline
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
Originally Posted By Dnj
Will Wersi incorporate & merge Ketron technology inside their keyboards down the road for future Wersi models and what does this say for the existing Wersi styles as they are already that they need this great improvement and Adrenalin shot using Ketron Styles? What is really happening here behind the scenes?


Wersi OAX instruments are first and foremost an organ, they just happen to have arranger features as well, (Arranger keyboards came from the easy play features of organs of the eighties) and as organ play is different to Arranger play the styles are made to suit, (Start playing the lower manual and pedals with arranger styles and the styles completely fall apart as no arranger can keep up) the main concession that Wersi made for those wishing to learn how to play organ after the limited flexibility of an arranger, was to allow T2 styles to be loaded natively but still sound as if they were part of the instrument. (Rather than something tacked on)

OAX instruments have access to professional sounds used in professional film and music production studios via VST, so hardware sounds are not really necessary, but as some people like a particular type of sound, (Korg, Roland, Yamaha etc.) the ability to control the hardware like it was part of the instrument was added.

As to the future, they are constantly being updated so it’s a wait and see, (There should be another big update soon as it’s that time of year (Although early year updates are usually more feature and sound based rather than backing which comes later in the year) they are supposed to adding style conversion (through a partnership with EMC) for all the main manufactures though.

If you just want an arranger then spending on an OAX instrument is not for you, (There are plenty of cheaper good quality instruments out there) but if you want to be able to play all types of music, have an instrument that doesn’t become obsolete every 3 or 4 years, (Requiring you to trade it in to get the next new one) gives you the ability to use professional sounds (Way beyond what you get in most hardware instruments) and will literally grow with you, then a Wersi OAX instrument is ideal.

The choice is yours

Bill


Maybe some people want both...
and they dont want to choose between Wersi and an arranger but combine them..
Which could very well be possible as we have seen Carlo do with Varranger.

Personlly i like the idea of having the best of all in a single instrument..
A partnership with Varranger could work miracles for Wersi..
Looks like Bemore Organs allready did this..
as they are supporting all 4 style types Varranger also supports.

Dont get me wrong, i think the OAX really has a lot going for it..
If there ever is an OAX module... or OAX piano.. i might go for it..
Espescially if its possible to integrate the best arrnager styles with it...


The biggest problem with Bemore (And vArranger if it uses the same system) is that all the styles from the different manufactures use the on board GM voices, so require quite a bit of editing to make them sound half decent, whereas Wersi normally create voices that emulate any special voices of other manufactures for best compatibility. (E.G. Voices with ACC after their name have been programmed by Wersi to emulate the response of the Yamaha Mega voices so that T2 styles sound like they are part of the instrument))

Bill
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