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#457321 - 09/02/18 08:38 AM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Mark79100]
Bill Lewis Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 2446
Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA
Originally Posted By Mark79100
Well.........Bill Lewis gave my piano lessons the "coup de grace." I might add thankfully!

Yes, piano lessons WERE the best thing I could have done...it really woke me up. But Bill mentioned something that kind of sobered me up. It was something like: "jazz piano with it's substitutions, altered chords, etc will not make you any more money or get you more jobs." I thought how right he was. I stopped my lessons. I was having fun playing around with the notes, but.....there's only so much time. It needs to be spent productively. Studying jazz piano is not productive unless you're looking to be a headliner!



But......fun while it lasted!


Mark

I hope my comments didn't dissuade you from pursuing learning more on the piano. I think (hope) my meaning was more to keep you goals simple at first and then expand as you go on. For most of our type of gigs if you play the melody out front, correct harmonies, and even better if you sing well thats what is needed.
I wish I had pursued jazz piano more when I was younger but there were no outlets to work in jazz. Playing Hammond in bands was the way to go back then and it worked well for me. Now when I don't care about all that I wish I could play jazz better but am having fun on my FP90 playing for myself. And IMHO playing jazz piano to a high degree just can't be taught. You can learn all the "tools" but to really put it out there is an inborn talent. I believe it was the actor Dustin Hoffman who before acting pursued jazz piano and gave up because as he said "I didn't have the ear" I listen to someone like Erroll Garner and ask myself where does all that come from ?
Go for what is satisfing to you. Good Luck.
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#457325 - 09/02/18 09:09 AM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Mark79100]
124 Offline
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Totally agree on all points Bill.

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#457328 - 09/02/18 09:23 AM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: 124]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Some times as the old saying goes..
old horses cant learn new tricks per say
.......& sometimes it,s better to do what you do best and make it better and better each time imo.

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#457364 - 09/02/18 10:37 PM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Bill Lewis]
Mark79100 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
Originally Posted By Mark79100
Well.........Bill Lewis gave my piano lessons the "coup de grace." I might add thankfully!


Mark

I hope my comments didn't dissuade you from pursuing learning more on the piano. I think (hope) my meaning was more to keep you goals simple at first and then expand as you go on.


Hi Bill.....after I signed off on my post, I was thinking I'll bet you read this the wrong way and don't notice the "thankfully" word. I'm guessing......you DID miss the "thankfully" word!

If not for you, I would have finished out my days learning jazz and going nowhere with it, and......I don't have that many days left.

There's too much to get done in every day life. Time spent on music has to be rationed sensibly. Music goes off in so many directions nowadays you have to make careful decisions on what you focus on. Learning jazz I can't say is not stimulating, but the time has to be designated for other things like learning Gypsy and Musette, learning my PA3x, Windows 10, Spanish language, and you get my drift.

If I was 20 again and high-energy and we weren't living in the complexity we are living in these days, I guess I wouldn't be saying the above.

But, back to what you wrote. I don't remember exactly what it was, but it helped me to back up and look at reality. Reality being I should have taken another musical path that was more practical for me.

BTW....I spent almost a month going from store to store, and house to house (Craigslist), looking at both acoustic pianos and digital pianos. I did get to try the Roland and the Kurzweil, the new Yamahas and the new Casio's. Even the Korg.

THAT was most of the reason I stopped the lessons! I went into acute piano-itis and dropped everything musical for probably a month!

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#457365 - 09/02/18 10:42 PM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Riceroni9]
Mark79100 Offline
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Registered: 10/23/06
Posts: 1661
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By Riceroni9
What I would give if I could return to my teen years when playing a piano would have been such a treat.


I'll share something with you. I feel the same way and have many regrets about not learning the piano at the same time I started on the accordion when I was 12. Though I always loved it, I came to the piano relatively late in life. I think around the 1980's before I really started playing. Even then it took me 2-3 years to make the transition from accordion (unlearning the accordion and relearning the piano).

But you don't get it all in life. I'm happy I got what I did!

Mark

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#457377 - 09/03/18 07:19 AM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Mark79100]
Bill Lewis Offline
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Registered: 11/12/08
Posts: 2446
Loc: Bluffton/Hilton Head SC USA
Mark
Glad my comments were a positive and not a negative. Your right, many directions to go with music and the reality of ones personal situation should be a guide. I'm slowly learning to stress less over things and go with the flow.
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Bill in SC --- Roland BK9 (2) Roland BK7M, Roland PK5 Pedals, Roland FP90, Roland CM30 (2), JBL Eon Ones (2) JBL 610 Monitor, Behringer Sub, EV mics, Apple iPad (2) Behringer DJ mixer

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#457394 - 09/03/18 11:14 AM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Mark79100]
Riceroni9 Offline
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Registered: 11/15/04
Posts: 1298
Loc: TX, USA
Well said, Mark:

Nobody ever promised us anything but the opportunity to try! I'm grateful to be "above ground" and enjoying every day. It is so enjoyable to see and hear the thoughts of so many talented people gathered in this special place. Nigel is a pretty darn good referee, too. For the most part, he only steps in when absolutely necessary.

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#457403 - 09/03/18 01:33 PM Re: piano lessons....best thing I ever did [Re: Riceroni9]
bruno123 Offline
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Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 4912
Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417
The beginning of my music store/school started when accordion was popular. After six years the accordion began to fade and the guitar became popular. My closest friend was an accordion player. He traveled form accordion to midi accordion with a sound module. His last step was to a Technics Kn1000.

Most of the accordion players who made the change to playing a keyboard had a great right hand on the keyboard. Full chords, arps, and not looking at their right hand when playing gave them a big advantage.

No disputing that piano playing gives the best advantage – for me it’s #1. The accordion players follow right behind.

John C.

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