I realize they have onboard sequencers, and Montage doesn’t. But, anyone wanting to do serious recording will want there tracks out putted to a computer for final editing.

Yamaha should make this available on their higher end arrangers. (JMHO)

jingleman

They have a midi out that will suffice for most things, but I don't know of any arranger keyboard that has an audio output for each and every audio segment. Most of the folks I know that do any serious recording use multi-channel software and layer their songs, which is a bit time consuming, but really works well. Audacity works extremely well in this respect, and it's free at https://www.audacityteam.org/

Good luck,

Gary

Thanks Gary...I have midi synced my arranger to my daw, but as you say, its clumsy at best. The new Yamaha workstation has a 2 in 10 out audio interface built in. This would allow 10 audio tracks outputed to your daw simultaneously through USB out. That would simplify multitrack recording significantly.

With the cost of arrangers being where they are...you think they’d include this option.

The KETRON MS40 (from early 90's) and SD1 and X1 (from the late 90's) have 4 Audio Outputs.

The AUDYA series has 6, while the new SD9/90/60/7/40/80 have 3.

Thanks,

AJ

AJ, what he is talking about is a separate output for every segment of the style file and every segment of the right hand voice(s). Not the various outputs that are essentially the combination of everything played.

Gary

You got it Gary. I know Genos has 3 pair of stereo outs....but to have 10 audio outs through 1 USB port...well to me...that’s nirvana!

Thanks,
jingleman

... on the KETRON units, a style has 10 parts/tracks. Are you saying 10 outputs where you can have each part of the style record to an individual track on an DAW? E.g on the SD1, you can route drums to output1, Bass to output 2, Chord3 to output 3 and lead/right hand voice to output 4 (but you would want to separate the 2 drum tracks and the 5 chord1-5 tracks), right? Now on output 4, even if you layer 3 voices, ALL will come out of out 4 (but if I read you correctly, you're saying have each of the layered voices coming out on a separate track in this scenario - which translates into 10 physical outputs - correct?)

I disagree with Yamaha fan club..

Its a shame Yamaha didn’t add this to their most expensive model..
Same with some other features...
And why didn’t they do it?

Well because its sunny fanbase keep defending Yamaha, whatever they do...
A build in audio feature is what allows full integration between daw and keyboard..
If you want that, yamaha wants you to buy another keyboard of them..
Thats their whole marketing scheme..

For the price of the Genos, one should expect that everything yamaha has to offer in the keyboard department is inside the instrument..
Well, there is so many things missing, its not even funny anymore..
The `genos could have been the most advanced keyboard leading the pact by half a mile..
Now its discussable if they are even in fromt of the competition(korg/ketron)
I think for the total package they are slightly ahead, but just with the tip of their nose..

Currently the Genos is 1k more expemsive then a 76 key montage
Or a 76 key pa4x or an sd9 pro..

Its 10 mono channels for the modx, and 4 in..
Making it 5 stereo and 2 stereo in..

The montage has 32 and 8..

And yes on the montage you can record 16 stereo parts directly over usb with 16 bit 48khz digital audio... or 4 parts with 96khz/24bit...all paralel at the same time...also since 2.5 with one button push all your controll are allocated to the daw...

The montage/modx will also functiom as a vst controller.. and inside your daw, you will see the montage or modx as a VST.. very very userfriendly...

With the audio over usb inputS(which are the outputs for the pc, it functions as an audio interfface for pc...

If you want full integration with a pc.. this is the easiest way to go... no hardware requirements (except a fast usb 2 port interface) just software...

The kronos has this to, but its not stable anymore and a bit laggy since korg did some software updates..

This is the a one reason why i am considering a montage to combine it with the sd90 and my macbook... a setup like this, offers much much more then a Genos.. combining the best arranger styles and interface with the most powerfull sample engine and fm engine and the best masterkeyboard in the world...(connecting the sd90 trough the analogue audio in of montage even runs my sd90 sound trough the yamaha master dsp effects if i opt to)

AJ: Not 10 physical outputs...All audio passes through a single USB port directly to your DAW.

The concept is simple, and Yamaha already has the technology to accomplish it.

It's equivalent to an old fashioned recording session...where all parts get recorded to separate tracks.

Gotta fix a clam in the solo...easy peasy. So much easier to mix and master in a DAW. Overdub vocals...etc.

Unfortunately, I don't possess the skills of Don M, Donny, Fran, Uncle Dave, and many others on this forum. Post tweaking is a must for me, and I expect others as well.

I don't know about others here...but I find onboard sequences putsy. Computer sequencing is so much easier. I've got Steinberg Cubase 9.5 which Yamaha owns and distributes with all keyboards. Yamaha...Please put the audio interface in the arrangers keyboards. You've created all these beautiful sounds...let us blend and mix them in a computer environment.

Bachus: When running a SD9 through a Montage...would those sounds output through the Montage audio interface?

Thanks,
jingleman

A stand-a-lone recorder is always the best. It's existence is just to record. The same for midi recording.

They have brought a new Internet, phone, TV, system, gate entry provider into my development. Because it is all under one control they have come to my home 11 times to adjust and repai.

When we make it to complicated we create more problems.

Just my opinion, John C.

Agree completely.

Yes, if you choose to... there are 2 mono out to the daw...you can assign all 16 montage parts in stereo... or route the A/D input (comming from the sd9) over a left end right channel.. keep in mind this audio channel consists all the sound that SD9 outputs... it allows you to record external sounds into your daw... or use the montage audio out to a set of speakers... thsi can be set for each performance sepperately

You can control volume and pan in the montage mixer, run them trough a variation effect, the channel has its own eq, and you can set the reverb level... also you can rrun them trough 2 insert effects (shared with the digital input from your daw, so i think its either one of them.. however both can go trough the master effects of montage..

If you want the same reverb for both your montage, as well as your your sd9 as well as your vst’s sounds... you can set the reverb of your montage for this...

T depends on what level of controll you want...
To me a daw is noting else but a stand alone recorder inside a pc/mac

John: I agree that recording to a standalone recorder is easy. The problem comes in when you want to record multiple audio tracks simultaneously. To record say..10 live audio tracks from an arranger, you would need 10 physical outputs on your arranger and a recorder that allows 10 audio inputs.

With Yamaha's built in audio interface...you can record 10 separate live audio tracks to your computer DAW through one single USB cable.

jingleman

Which would even work more miracvles for an arranger then for a synth,,

How much serious recording is everyone doing and why?

Donny: For the live player it may not be a major issue. But, for the song writer I see it as an invaluable option. When writing a song or audio track for film...it's highly unlikely that you would play it start to finish. So editing and mixing would be necessary. And with the quality of sounds the modern arranger can produce...creating final mixes for said projects is now achievable.

I just record myself when playing to listen back and hear mistakes...

And i record midi tracks for adding to styles..

I alsosometimes record a friends band, using the mac and an audio interface/mixer fromBehringer it has 24 channel input... thesae are live recordings on stage in logic x

Maybe recordings in home studios for roughs but professional recording studios for major work. There is a major quality difference...

I think you'd be surprised Donny by how many pro studios are supplementing or substituting live musicians for synth and vst replications.

Back in the 80's, I was observing a Sears jingle session at Universal studios in Chicago with composer John Tagenhurst (ET composer w/John Williams). They recorded the string parts with an Emulator II.

With the advent of Genos, the sounds are getting pretty realistic. Especially, in the hands of a good player.

But, even if your doing demos...being able to tweak the mix once vocals are added can be a big plus. How many times do we listen to demos where the drums could be boosted...the lead guitar could use more verb, or the bass is to boomy. This would allow an easy fix.

The whole film industry stepped away from real musicians(with some exceptions)