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#458690 - 09/26/18 04:49 AM Home player? Performer?
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More than once, I’ve seen references to the fact that arrangers are targeted for the home player.

The arranger players I’m familiar with are performers. I’m sure there’s some home players but I haven’t met any.

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#458693 - 09/26/18 06:20 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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I would assume here in the United States the vast majority of arranger players are hobbyist that play at home. I assume this because while I do see arranger keyboards for sale in the stores, I’ve only seen people actually performing in public on arranger keyboards just a few times. So yes, there some folks out there performing in public on arranger keyboards but they are few and far between at least in my area. But if you go into Mexico it’s a different situation.
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#458694 - 09/26/18 06:44 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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Home player only (for now anyway) here, but I played in nursing homes previously for 9 years although not with an arranger (guitar).

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#458697 - 09/26/18 07:40 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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Go onto any of the dedicated arranger forums (PSR Tutorial is one example) and you will find the vast majority are home hobby players. (Remember the arranger keyboard is just further development of the easy play features that first started out on home organs)

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#458710 - 09/26/18 10:59 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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I am a home player only. Decades ago when I started playing keyboards in college in a band, I went through years of performing out and wanting to see how far I could take it. But my career as a graphic designer took front and center. I now work at a tv station and run a business on the side where I get booked at events of all kinds, especially wedding receptions, to draw caricatures of people. My days with my career tv job and my side caricature business are completely full.

But I try every day, even if only for a half hour late at night, to play music. I have 2 set-ups so I go back and forth and never get bored. My arranger is a PA-600, and my other set-up is a Roland VR-730 with a laptop loaded up with Band in a Box. I actually find myself probably playing this set-up more than the arranger recently, but I will never abandon the arranger.

The beauty of this is that playing music is nothing but joy for me. I don't put the pressures of making it a business on it, like I do with my visual art pursuits.

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#458721 - 09/26/18 01:23 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Go onto any of the dedicated arranger forums (PSR Tutorial is one example) and you will find the vast majority are home hobby players. (Remember the arranger keyboard is just further development of the easy play features that first started out on home organs)

Bill


Says the organ player...

I disagree ith you..
Can you name on feature not on an arranger that a professional live player would ever need?

I think its acually home Players thats push arrangers forward..
Because they want more tools in their box to make fun with..
And they want them to be eas accesible..
They in general want the latest and greatest, and they can and want to pay for it..

And the pro’s they are the ones that profit from that...
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#458725 - 09/26/18 02:54 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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If not an arranger, what do keyboard players use in solo acts? In my area, the solo acts are guitar with vocals with backing tracks or an arranger.
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#458726 - 09/26/18 02:56 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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Having been a pro player for much of my life, I agree, Bachus.

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#458729 - 09/26/18 03:02 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
If not an arranger, what do keyboard players use in solo acts? In my area, the solo acts are guitar with vocals with backing tracks or an arranger.

There is one young lady here that has a digital piano and plays tracks off her cell phone.
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#458733 - 09/26/18 04:29 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: Bachus]
abacus Offline
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
Go onto any of the dedicated arranger forums (PSR Tutorial is one example) and you will find the vast majority are home hobby players. (Remember the arranger keyboard is just further development of the easy play features that first started out on home organs)

Bill


Says the organ player...

I disagree ith you..
Can you name on feature not on an arranger that a professional live player would ever need?

I think its acually home Players thats push arrangers forward..
Because they want more tools in their box to make fun with..
And they want them to be eas accesible..
They in general want the latest and greatest, and they can and want to pay for it..

And the pro’s they are the ones that profit from that...



The question was who uses arrangers the most, home hobby players or pro users, and the answer is home hobby players. (The fact that the vast majority of arrangers are bought by home hobby players means the manufactures will cater for them, just like they did with organs from which the arranger came)

Bill
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#458740 - 09/26/18 07:40 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
travlin'easy Offline
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
More than once, I’ve seen references to the fact that arrangers are targeted for the home player.

The arranger players I’m familiar with are performers. I’m sure there’s some home players but I haven’t met any.

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Sorry Bill, but this was the OP, which was not a question at all.

Like Guitpic, I have never met a home hobbyist player in all the years I've been playing an arranger keyboard. Just pro players who performed at a variety of venues throughout the USA.

Gary cool
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#458743 - 09/26/18 08:29 PM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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There used to be a saying, "Truth is stranger than fiction". Apparently that has been reversed. But hey, it's a lot easier to believe what you WANT to believe.

If a hammy little six year old kid does a little dance at the family Thanksgiving get-together and Uncle Dumbass rewards him with a shiny new Quarter, is he a "Pro Performer" or a "home player". It's all in your definition of a "Pro" or a "performer". From my perspective, Bill (Abacus) is entirely correct. Besides, who cares how you label yourself as long as you're happy and having fun.

chas (happy home player who knows a "pro" when he sees one - which ain't often smile )
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#458765 - 09/27/18 08:16 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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Damn ... it's Jim Thorpe all over again. Sigh
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#458767 - 09/27/18 08:53 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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adjective
adjective: professional

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relating to or connected with a profession.
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a person engaged or qualified in a profession.
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informalpro, ace, wizard, whiz, hotshot, maven, crackerjack
"she was a real professional on stage"
antonym: amateur
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#458772 - 09/27/18 09:25 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: travlin'easy]
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#458776 - 09/27/18 10:38 AM Re: Home player? Performer? [Re: guitpic1]
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So, nuff said, you are a pro if you get paid, even if you don't play like a pro.
Or you can play like a pro, but is not a pro if not get paid.

I'll ask my wife to pay me a coin or two, then I'm a 'pro' homeplayer. crazy
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