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#458689 - 09/26/18 03:45 AM Hammered action vs. organ touch
guitpic1 Offline
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At times I wonder when a real, hammered action, arranger will be produced? One that is portable weight wise. And one that has at least the arranger functions of an arranger such as Genos.

Don’t get me wrong...love my Genos but miss the control I feel when I play hammered(simulated I know) of my DGX 650.

For most of my life, I’ve been an acoustic guitar player and am used to creating dynamics by physical touch.

Thoughts?
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#458691 - 09/26/18 04:49 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: guitpic1]
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
love my Genos but miss the control I feel when I play hammered(simulated I know) of my DGX 650.
Thoughts?


Might be time for a Nice 88 key controller of your choice
Hammer action and a Ketron SD90 arranger module.. wink



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#458698 - 09/26/18 06:44 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: Dnj]
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Church organ touch?

Real organ touch is different from the semi weighted keboards in arrangers
Church organ does not have velocity, its either on or off..
You controll the vellocity trough a pedal...

Fun keyboard to remember is kawai mp7..
In organ mode it senses the tone the seccond you touch the key...

But i think you mean semi-weighted versus hammer action?
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#458699 - 09/26/18 06:45 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: guitpic1]
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
At times I wonder when a real, hammered action, arranger will be produced? One that is portable weight wise. And one that has at least the arranger functions of an arranger such as Genos.

Don’t get me wrong...love my Genos but miss the control I feel when I play hammered(simulated I know) of my DGX 650.

For most of my life, I’ve been an acoustic guitar player and am used to creating dynamics by physical touch.

Thoughts?


When demand arises a manufacture will come forward; however at present the demand is just not there (Not even for niche manufactures) so don’t expect anything anytime soon. (Plus a quality hammer action keyboard will by its very nature be heavy)

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#458700 - 09/26/18 07:33 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: abacus]
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Registered: 12/25/17
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
At times I wonder when a real, hammered action, arranger will be produced? One that is portable weight wise. And one that has at least the arranger functions of an arranger such as Genos.

Don’t get me wrong...love my Genos but miss the control I feel when I play hammered(simulated I know) of my DGX 650.

. . .

Thoughts?


So, I'm still new to this forum and new to keyboards. So I have to ask, what's wrong with the DGX650/660? What about the other weighted-action arrangers like the Korg Havian 30 and Casio equivalent?


Edited by rightidea (09/26/18 07:40 AM)

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#458709 - 09/26/18 09:59 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: rightidea]
guitpic1 Offline
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Originally Posted By rightidea
Originally Posted By guitpic1
At times I wonder when a real, hammered action, arranger will be produced? One that is portable weight wise. And one that has at least the arranger functions of an arranger such as Genos.

Don’t get me wrong...love my Genos but miss the control I feel when I play hammered(simulated I know) of my DGX 650.

. . .

Thoughts?


So, I'm still new to this forum and new to keyboards. So I have to ask, what's wrong with the DGX650/660? What about the other weighted-action arrangers like the Korg Havian 30 and Casio equivalent?


For the money, I think the DGX series are excellent...I own one. Just too big and heavy to haul to a gig.
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#458711 - 09/26/18 10:02 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: Bachus]
guitpic1 Offline
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Registered: 04/16/14
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Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By Bachus
Church organ touch?

Real organ touch is different from the semi weighted keboards in arrangers
Church organ does not have velocity, its either on or off..
You controll the vellocity trough a pedal...

Fun keyboard to remember is kawai mp7..
In organ mode it senses the tone the seccond you touch the key...

But i think you mean semi-weighted versus hammer action?


If the term semi-weighted works better, I’m ok with that.

That said, however labeled, there’s a huge difference between the dynamic feel of my DGX 650 and Genos.
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#458712 - 09/26/18 10:08 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Offline
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Originally Posted By guitpic1
love my Genos but miss the control I feel when I play hammered(simulated I know) of my DGX 650.
Thoughts?


Might be time for a Nice 88 key controller of your choice
Hammer action and a Ketron SD90 arranger module.. wink



cool2



Nice.

My guess is I wouldn’t move to a module for gigging. Reason is, to replace my Genos and go to a keyboard controller/module, in addition I would need a VH among other things.
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#458716 - 09/26/18 11:28 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 11/25/17
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Originally Posted By guitpic1

My guess is I wouldn’t move to a module for gigging. Reason is, to replace my Genos and go to a keyboard controller/module, in addition I would need a VH among other things.


Both the Ketron SD40 and SD90 modules have a 3-part vocalizer built-in, with XLR / 1/4-inch microphone input jack, so you do not need to buy an outboard VH.

My Ketron SD90 module (8 lb) / Casio Privia PX560M 88-key hammer action digital stage piano (26 lb) setup just needs a MIDI cable, a sustain pedal, and a keyboard stand with adjustable width of the second tier like the US$105 Double Piano Keyboard and Laptop Stand by Griffin (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004THB8OW/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1).

You can go with a single-tier keyboard stand, with a laptop stand behind the keyboard to hold the module above the keyboard.

The K&M single-tier baby Spider Pro keyboard stand with its matching laptop rest looks the best but on the expensive side.


Thanks,
Paul
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#458717 - 09/26/18 11:37 AM Re: Hammered action vs. organ touch [Re: zionip]
guitpic1 Offline
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Tx. Good info. Wonder what the SD90 runs $$$?
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