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#459885 - 10/18/18 06:36 AM
Re: Arranger sales
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5393
Loc: English Riviera, UK
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Arranger keyboards have their day just like the electronic organs from which they spawned, sales in the USA have always been miniscule compared to the rest of the world, so a drop off won’t really be noticeable. In Europe, arranger sales are also on the decline, (Just ask any of the dealers) hence a lot of arranger manufactures have left the market, or have released just minor updates to a model and extended replacement of other models. (Usually the TOTL ones) Asian countries are still fairly balanced. Eastern countries are still on the rise as when the market was buoyant in the west; it was virtually none existent in the East, so it’s a matter of catch up with new ways (For Eastern players) of doing things. If you look at what the current generation of music requires, (And even the previous generation) there is virtually nothing in an arranger that has any relevance, so as the later generations die out, so will the arranger just like its forerunner the electronic organ. (Note: there will always be a niche market remaining for it, just like there is for all older types of instruments)
Bill
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#459889 - 10/18/18 07:24 AM
Re: Arranger sales
[Re: abacus]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Arranger keyboards have their day just like the electronic organs from which they spawned, sales in the USA have always been miniscule compared to the rest of the world, so a drop off won’t really be noticeable. In Europe, arranger sales are also on the decline, (Just ask any of the dealers) hence a lot of arranger manufactures have left the market, or have released just minor updates to a model and extended replacement of other models. (Usually the TOTL ones) Asian countries are still fairly balanced. Eastern countries are still on the rise as when the market was buoyant in the west; it was virtually none existent in the East, so it’s a matter of catch up with new ways (For Eastern players) of doing things. If you look at what the current generation of music requires, (And even the previous generation) there is virtually nothing in an arranger that has any relevance, so as the later generations die out, so will the arranger just like its forerunner the electronic organ. (Note: there will always be a niche market remaining for it, just like there is for all older types of instruments)
Bill Bill I agree,.....using an arranger kb to produce yesterdays music is what it was intended for,...with today's music being created in so many new ways an arranger kb can only do so much, mostly a scratch pad regarding new younger styles of music and can never compete with what we hear today and why should it?. There are many other ways in today's world to create music and people are taking advantage of all the tools available as they should. That doesn't mean you as a player cannot enjoy whatever you choose to play at home or maybe for an audience that enjoys the same kind of music but any gigging musician can definitely see the changes going on and by the constant "Requests" for newer popular music that they hear on the radio which cannot be reproduced by only the lonely arranger keyboard, and you will need other resources to stay in the game today, it's always been that way,..yes it's sad, and yes it's becoming a Bygone Era that most of us still around embrace, but as all things don't last forever you must accept it and move on keeping yourself happy along the way somehow. (sigh) Great post Bill Thanx
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#459900 - 10/18/18 09:39 AM
Re: Arranger sales
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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...with today's music being created in so many new ways an arranger kb can only do so much, mostly a scratch pad regarding new younger styles of music and can never compete with what we hear today ....and yet, whether on TV, in a bar or club or concert stage, the configuration we see 99% of the time will be some combination/variation of guitar, bass, drums, and keyboard (throw in an occasional horn or two). And guess what, for your average musically-challenged audience, an arranger keyboard in the hands of a skilled professional can do a fair job of recreating musically what the average bar band is doing. What's missing, of course, is the visual effect. I'd be willing to bet that if you just grabbed three or four scruffy-looking characters off the street, gave them real (but unplugged) instruments and had them 'fake' the instrument parts (lip sync, 'air guitar', etc.), while the actual music was being played by an arranger, 90% of the audience wouldn't be the wiser. Just make sure you play it (the arranger) 75% louder than usual . But yeah, they will always be a niche market. Not because they aren't accepted by audiences, but because they aren't accepted by professional musicians. There will be the deniers (there always are) but it's a fact - and the sales figures show it. Bottom line, sure Arrangers are a lot of fun (for some) but as a 'gig' instrument, it's hard for an audience to see ONE guy simultaneously playing 8 orchestral parts without thinking "ummm, something's fishy". Older nursing home residents may not mind but everyone else sure seems to. JMO. chas
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#459907 - 10/18/18 09:48 AM
Re: Arranger sales
[Re: cgiles]
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Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 2195
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...with today's music being created in so many new ways an arranger kb can only do so much, mostly a scratch pad regarding new younger styles of music and can never compete with what we hear today ....and yet, whether on TV, in a bar or club or concert stage, the configuration we see 99% of the time will be some combination/variation of guitar, bass, drums, and keyboard (throw in an occasional horn or two). And guess what, for your average musically-challenged audience, an arranger keyboard in the hands of a skilled professional can do a fair job of recreating musically what the average bar band is doing. What's missing, of course, is the visual effect. I'd be willing to bet that if you just grabbed three or four scruffy-looking characters off the street, gave them real (but unplugged) instruments and had them 'fake' the instrument parts (lip sync, 'air guitar', etc.), while the actual music was being played by an arranger, 90% of the audience wouldn't be the wiser. Just make sure you play it (the arranger) 75% louder than usual . But yeah, they will always be a niche market. Not because they aren't accepted by audiences, but because they aren't accepted by professional musicians. There will be the deniers (there always are) but it's a fact - and the sales figures show it. Bottom line, sure Arrangers are a lot of fun (for some) but as a 'gig' instrument, it's hard for an audience to see ONE guy simultaneously playing 8 orchestral parts without thinking "ummm, something's fishy". Older nursing home residents may not mind but everyone else sure seems to. JMO. chas Agreed. The senior crowd just enjoy the music, as it should be. They're not bothered by how it's produced. I think that goes for significant other segments of the paying customers, too. Bottom line, everyone wants to be happy. They're not sitting there analysing everything.
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