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#461069 - 11/07/18 05:27 AM
Re: Mid term elections
[Re: The Saint]
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Hi Ray,
It's shocking to me the Democrats won the House. The Democratic party has become radicalized and socialistic. It has always been the more "socialistic" party, but they have raised this to new levels. They are trying everything in their power to STOP Trump at each turn. The thing is; Trump is a Builder and Fixer. He wants to repair our neglected country, which has been decimated in so many ways our entitlement programs, infrastructure, military, wages, trade, etc etc. The democrats want everyone to have free healthcare, high taxes, open borders, etc etc. There seems to be no middle ground here in the states; However, most people want a government with Common Sense! Some would say Trump, who is not a politician, is trying to use common sense, but the dems are unwilling to consider it at all cost.
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#461113 - 11/08/18 01:53 AM
Re: Mid term elections
[Re: The Saint]
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Thanks Al, and Captain Russ for your replies. No doubt both your thoughts are straight from the hip, from both sides of U.S. politics.( Maybe you both could have made your views much clearer)!!!!! lol. Interestingly though, it personifies pretty well, the divide in behavior, and policies, of our two major parties down here. But I don't think either of you have answered my original question: "what is your read/take/opinion" of this outcome, and how it relates to the immediate future of the U.S ? Media comments down here are mixed, "Trump loses", "Democrats huge win","Expected Mid-Term result" etc. Ray (The curious one)
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#461117 - 11/08/18 05:24 AM
Re: Mid term elections
[Re: The Saint]
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But I don't think either of you have answered my original question: "what is your read/take/opinion" of this outcome, and how it relates to the immediate future of the U.S ? Media comments down here are mixed, "Trump loses", "Democrats huge win","Expected Mid-Term result" etc. Ray (The curious one)
I don't think the outcome will change much. Trump has only exposed what was already there in our society. Although the majority of Americans (approx. 60-65%) still believe in the founding principles and ideals of America, kindness, empathy, diversity/inclusion, service, equal justice, independence, equal opportunity, personal freedom, etc., there is still that 'hard-core', that has always been there, who either practice and/or condone the despicable attitudes and actions of this current admistration. And then there are the super-hypocrites; those that are willing to tolerate any and all types of unacceptable behavior in exchange for an (imagined) tax break, a pro-life judge, and a promise to protect us from the invasion of Black and Brown people who are hell-bent on taking our jobs (and eventually our country). Under this administration, ideally, immigration would be restricted to Scandinavian countries with special exemptions for Germany. Sure hope they can find enough Scandinavians who enjoy picking fruit, doing lawn maintenance, and making up germ-ridden motel beds. So how do I feel about Mr. Trump and the current administration? I'll save myself some typing. Just take Capt Russ's post above and multiply it by 10. chas
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#461163 - 11/08/18 02:18 PM
Re: Mid term elections
[Re: The Saint]
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To paraphrase Andrew Gillum, 'maybe he's not a racist, but the racist think he's a racist', and when you think about, who better to make that determination. What amazes me is number of people that find this man attractive or even acceptable, as the moral leader of this nation. But then I look at the make-up of his rally followers and it becomes pretty clear. I guess I can understand it if, economically, you belong to the top 1%. What I don't understand is the other 95% where practically every policy that comes out of this administration works against their interest; from fighting minimum wage to cutbacks to education to getting rid of the safeguards to air and water quality to protection of voting rights to healthcare protections for the most vulnerable in our society (typically that would be the Trump voter with no college degree, 60+ years of age, few if any retirement resources, and living payday to payday in a job that has not seen a wage increase in 30 years). But hey, who doesn't like Kool-aid. As long as people can be manipulated with (totally irrational) fear of the 'other', people like Trump will always be able to use them to garner powe and enrich themselves and their own social class. And that folks, is why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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#461164 - 11/08/18 02:30 PM
Re: Mid term elections
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BTW,while I disagree with most of what you believe about the political situation, Al, I do appreciate your taking the time to articulate your opinion, and to present them in a civil manner. I respect your right to have your opinion.
I just don't agree with you at any level.
I welcome interaction about music, film, TV, recording...anything BUT politics. We're at a COMPLETE impasse there.
Be well,
Russ Lay
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#461602 - 11/15/18 06:36 AM
Re: Mid term elections
[Re: The Saint]
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Russ, you just don't know what your talking about. Your mixing your feelings for the man with an objective view of his performance without any facts.
Donald Trump: As projected in the FY 2019 budget, Trump plans to add $4.775 trillion, a 29-percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017.
FY 2021 - $1.119 trillion. FY 2020 - $1.198 trillion. FY 2019 - $1.225 trillion. FY 2018 - $1.233 trillion.
Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74-percent increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.
FY 2017 - $672 billion. FY 2016 - $1.423 trillion. FY 2015 - $327 billion. FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion. FY 2013 - $672 billion. FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion. FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion. FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion. FY 2009 - $253 billion. Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt.
Obama added more to the debt than any past president. Many of the Trump tax cuts have been offset by trade recoveries, increased job and investment growth, etc.
You just have blatant hatred for the man and won't let him do his job. He will not and is not failing as a president. However, look at the democrats subverting everything. Resist at all cost. Not one Dem voted for Healthcare reform, not one Dem voted for the tax cut for the middle class. Try swimming with one arm tied around your back. The Dems will cause this Country to fail; forget Trump. It's the country at risk and its the hard working people of this country who will suffer because of the Democratic paralysis.
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#461616 - 11/15/18 08:20 AM
Re: Mid term elections
[Re: The Saint]
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Wow! Talk about 'alternate facts'. Straight from the Trump/Fox News playbook, all debunked, just like the 4000+ documented/fact checked lies Trump has told to date. Of course, most of this is driven, as evidenced by the above post, by this blind hatred of Obama and everything he stood for (women's right to choose, equal rights and protection under the law, diversity and inclusion (vs. division and tribalism), and all the things one would expect in a free and open society.
There is no denying the blatant racism, misogyny, lack of any sense of empathy for anyone not named Trump, Nepotism, self-enrichment schemes, cronyism, and general amorality, exhibited by this president. And in reference to the "tax cut for the middle class"; there IS NO tax cut for the middle class", but the fact that you think so just goes to show the extent to which a segment of this country has be 'suckered'. Given his 'hate speech' and the degree to which he has been embraced by far right extremist, his image abroad, his constant lying and exaggeration of facts; it is a sad commentary on this country that so many are willing to tolerate this behavior, driven mainly by their fear of the ALLEDGED 'browning' of America. What is more troubling is the fact that a Republican congress, although occasionally paying lip service to the disavowing of the most egregious of these behaviors, always end up 'caving' and lining up like little tin soldiers behind this would-be dictator. If Obama had done 1/10th of the things this president has done, he would have been......well, we all know what would have happened there. But, based on what happened in this last election and the trend towards a return to sanity, the day of reckoning IS coming......and soon.
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#461627 - 11/15/18 08:54 AM
Re: Mid term elections
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I don't like what politics has done to people. I was brought up to win and lose gracefully and respectfully. I've never seen so many people going through sore loser syndrome. NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, expect that a presidential election, like any other competition, is going to have a winner and a loser. If you don't like the outcome work toward changing it next time, If you don't like the process, work to change it, but don't burn down the arena, the town,or the country because your team lost.
Imagine if that happened in sports, one team racing across the floor or field starting a fight with the other after every final whistle or buzzer just because they didn't win? In fact we have seen rioting and looting by fans after sports championships. Is that the right thing to do? And yes an election is not a game, I'm using sports as a metaphor..
I don't like what has happened to the media. When we were kids we used to watch the news, and get all of it. Now we get some that is really political commentary, one outlet liberal, one conservative. What happened to telling me all of what happened and letting me decide what I want to think about it? In this day of video everywhere, I sometimes wonder if reporters on some networks were watching the same clip I was as they try to tell me what I saw through their biased eyes- I can come to a conclusion on my own. I want to hear about social problems and solutions on all networks; I want to hear about econcomic gains and losses on all networks. What "news" agency has the balls to report failures AND successes of a political party or President? And tranquility isn't sensational and doesn't sell . So news agencies have turned to news makers, stirring the pot to create news to get headlines that sell papers (not much anymore) or get ratings..thankfully some reporters have recently been dismissed for this. Then somebody pays them to do a podcast and they hang on..
I don't like what has happened to late night comedy. It has been replaced with political attack shows. I used to be able to laugh and let down by watching one of these shows at the end of my day. Now they induce rather than relieve stress.
Sore loser syndrome off the charts...
Edited by sparky589 (11/15/18 09:22 AM)
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#461656 - 11/15/18 11:48 AM
Re: Mid term elections
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I don't like what politics has done to people. Politics hasn't done anything to people; it's more like what people have done to politics. Politics is just a way for people to express how they want the world to be. When a messiah comes along and promises them their vision of utopia, the result is what you saw in 1939 and what you are starting to see today. You can soft-pedal it with phrases like 'winners and losers' but down in our hearts we know that's not what it's about; it's about an appeal to either our 'better angels' or our 'worst demons', a world or civility and mutual respect or a world of hateful rhetoric, bullying, scapegoating, and pitting one group against the other for money and power. I guess if I had to choose between the true haters and the apologist, I'd probably choose the haters; at least they stand for something, however despicable. I was just looking at the latest statistics on hate crimes since this administration took over. The increase in hate crimes among all targeted groups, Jews/African-Americans/Muslims/LGBTQ, is appalling. Who or what do you think emboldened these hate groups? Actually, that was a rhetorical question. It is incredibly painful for some of us to watch the progress we've made on so many fronts, civil rights, gender equality, environmental protections, educational and economic opportunities for all, freedom of (and from) religion, etc., dissipate and disappear in the course of two short years. chas, a patriotic 10yr veteran
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