I'm not into politics at all, let that be my first statement.
However! I've been friends with someone a long time that you might know (Kris from KMNKeyboardVault, does that ring a bell? (Great piano player btw) And i was shocked to see how he reacted to Trump on his Facebook wall (And still does... telling that he's a racist bigot and not his president, he even stopped wearing his vest and stopped playing America The Beautiful) BUT! I was even MORE shocked to see how his FRIENDS reacted to that.. People were seriously having heavy loathed arguments with eachother, calling names, telling eachother that they had issues and whatnot.

And now i'm here on this part of this lovely forum and i see a discussion about the mid terms elections and guess what? It's much nicer to read comments here! People are disagreeing, but respectfully, people aren't seeing eye to eye but aren't butchering anyone else! I seriously had no idea (but maybe that was just me...) that people could still have a normal conversation about their president without the "HE'S NOT MY PRESIDENT" stuff that the man posts on Facebook.

I'm sorry for bothering you lovely folks with it, but i saw this discussion and couldn't notice the peace this thread has compared to that page of his...

Have a lovely day

It only shows how bad American politic and the politicians are.
If someone like that can lead in modern world shows what kind of people live there. And democrats are not much better then republicans. I mean same dollar bill taken out of the shithole. And it doesn't matter if it's head or tails, still stinks. And when you get two sides radicalized like this you get a doushe for a president. And democracy does insure you get a leader you actually deserve. Although I wouldn't call American politics democracy.

You think Trump can lead the country from JAIL?

Russ

20 years hard labor.....BUILDING THE WALL! Time to be served in a Mexican jail. Ah, we can only dream .

NATIONAL DEBT....NATIONAL DEBT....NATIONAL DEBT
(Over 3 trillion a year...due to Trump Tax cuts)

INTERNATIONAL JOKE (TRUMP) INTERNATIONAL EMBARRASSMENT (TRUMP)

LONG TERM, he will FAIL at being President, TOO!

What a joke!

Russ

Russ, you just don't know what your talking about. Your mixing your feelings for the man with an objective view of his performance without any facts.



Donald Trump: As projected in the FY 2019 budget, Trump plans to add $4.775 trillion, a 29-percent increase from the $20.245 trillion debt at the end of Obama's last budget for FY 2017.

FY 2021 - $1.119 trillion.
FY 2020 - $1.198 trillion.
FY 2019 - $1.225 trillion.
FY 2018 - $1.233 trillion.

Barack Obama: Added $8.588 trillion, a 74-percent increase from the $11.657 trillion debt at the end of Bush’s last budget, FY 2009.

FY 2017 - $672 billion.
FY 2016 - $1.423 trillion.
FY 2015 - $327 billion.
FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion.
FY 2013 - $672 billion.
FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion.
FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion.
FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion.
FY 2009 - $253 billion. Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt.

Obama added more to the debt than any past president. Many of the Trump tax cuts have been offset by trade recoveries, increased job and investment growth, etc.

You just have blatant hatred for the man and won't let him do his job. He will not and is not failing as a president. However, look at the democrats subverting everything. Resist at all cost. Not one Dem voted for Healthcare reform, not one Dem voted for the tax cut for the middle class. Try swimming with one arm tied around your back. The Dems will cause this Country to fail; forget Trump. It's the country at risk and its the hard working people of this country who will suffer because of the Democratic paralysis.

Wow! Talk about 'alternate facts'. Straight from the Trump/Fox News playbook, all debunked, just like the 4000+ documented/fact checked lies Trump has told to date. Of course, most of this is driven, as evidenced by the above post, by this blind hatred of Obama and everything he stood for (women's right to choose, equal rights and protection under the law, diversity and inclusion (vs. division and tribalism), and all the things one would expect in a free and open society.

There is no denying the blatant racism, misogyny, lack of any sense of empathy for anyone not named Trump, Nepotism, self-enrichment schemes, cronyism, and general amorality, exhibited by this president. And in reference to the "tax cut for the middle class"; there IS NO tax cut for the middle class", but the fact that you think so just goes to show the extent to which a segment of this country has be 'suckered'. Given his 'hate speech' and the degree to which he has been embraced by far right extremist, his image abroad, his constant lying and exaggeration of facts; it is a sad commentary on this country that so many are willing to tolerate this behavior, driven mainly by their fear of the ALLEDGED 'browning' of America. What is more troubling is the fact that a Republican congress, although occasionally paying lip service to the disavowing of the most egregious of these behaviors, always end up 'caving' and lining up like little tin soldiers behind this would-be dictator. If Obama had done 1/10th of the things this president has done, he would have been......well, we all know what would have happened there. But, based on what happened in this last election and the trend towards a return to sanity, the day of reckoning IS coming......and soon.

chas

I don't like what politics has done to people. I was brought up to win and lose gracefully and respectfully. I've never seen so many people going through sore loser syndrome. NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, expect that a presidential election, like any other competition, is going to have a winner and a loser. If you don't like the outcome work toward changing it next time, If you don't like the process, work to change it, but don't burn down the arena, the town,or the country because your team lost.

Imagine if that happened in sports, one team racing across the floor or field starting a fight with the other after every final whistle or buzzer just because they didn't win? In fact we have seen rioting and looting by fans after sports championships. Is that the right thing to do? And yes an election is not a game, I'm using sports as a metaphor..

I don't like what has happened to the media. When we were kids we used to watch the news, and get all of it. Now we get some that is really political commentary, one outlet liberal, one conservative. What happened to telling me all of what happened and letting me decide what I want to think about it? In this day of video everywhere, I sometimes wonder if reporters on some networks were watching the same clip I was as they try to tell me what I saw through their biased eyes- I can come to a conclusion on my own. I want to hear about social problems and solutions on all networks; I want to hear about econcomic gains and losses on all networks. What "news" agency has the balls to report failures AND successes of a political party or President? And tranquility isn't sensational and doesn't sell . So news agencies have turned to news makers, stirring the pot to create news to get headlines that sell papers (not much anymore) or get ratings..thankfully some reporters have recently been dismissed for this. Then somebody pays them to do a podcast and they hang on..

I don't like what has happened to late night comedy. It has been replaced with political attack shows. I used to be able to laugh and let down by watching one of these shows at the end of my day. Now they induce rather than relieve stress.

Sore loser syndrome off the charts...

Thank goodness Trump is a short-timer. Never did anything that garners respect for him or his actions.

The analysis of the cost of the tax cut here is not even worth the effort to respond to.


The 30% of hard liners Trump panders to are immovable and don't have a clue.

R.

Politics hasn't done anything to people; it's more like what people have done to politics. Politics is just a way for people to express how they want the world to be. When a messiah comes along and promises them their vision of utopia, the result is what you saw in 1939 and what you are starting to see today.

You can soft-pedal it with phrases like 'winners and losers' but down in our hearts we know that's not what it's about; it's about an appeal to either our 'better angels' or our 'worst demons', a world or civility and mutual respect or a world of hateful rhetoric, bullying, scapegoating, and pitting one group against the other for money and power.

I guess if I had to choose between the true haters and the apologist, I'd probably choose the haters; at least they stand for something, however despicable. I was just looking at the latest statistics on hate crimes since this administration took over. The increase in hate crimes among all targeted groups, Jews/African-Americans/Muslims/LGBTQ, is appalling. Who or what do you think emboldened these hate groups? Actually, that was a rhetorical question. It is incredibly painful for some of us to watch the progress we've made on so many fronts, civil rights, gender equality, environmental protections, educational and economic opportunities for all, freedom of (and from) religion, etc., dissipate and disappear in the course of two short years.

chas, a patriotic 10yr veteran