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#463625 - 12/22/18 08:20 AM Fun playing without styles....
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#463627 - 12/22/18 09:17 AM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: Dnj]
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He's still playing over a pre-programmed accompaniment, so what's your point? Not being smart, just don't understand. Playing over an mp3 or a midi file is even less challenging than playing with styles - no chance of hitting a bad chord (in the accompaniment) and even a mediocre player is going to sound decent if the accompaniment track is good.

But seriously, if you listen to the raw energy in the original Al Green version, you'll see (hear/feel) why these type of performances are never able to compete with the magic of musicians interacting with each other in real time. JMO.

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#463629 - 12/22/18 09:45 AM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: cgiles]
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Why did I think you especially would enjoy this performance Chas?...
I am not singling you out alone..but,I give up, what's the use anymore?....this is becoming a judgmental forum of hugh proportions & really losing the spirit of sharing music between players for sure.
For example Terrysutt posted a few songs and not one person out of
109+ except me replied what a shame not the first time either,
...no wonder no one wants to share music here,
but there is no shortage of judgmental comments.

"Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"


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#463630 - 12/22/18 09:58 AM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: Dnj]
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Good song, I enjoyed it.

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#463633 - 12/22/18 10:45 AM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: Dnj]
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Sorry I disappointed you Donny. I've heard a lot of Frank's tunes. He's a very competent player and I always enjoy his choice of tunes (a lot of 60-70's R&B - jazzed up) but for me (and ONLY speaking for me) there is a 'sameness' about most of his tunes.
They're all well played and enjoyable, just not EXCITING, to me anyway, but hey, that's just my opinion which is no more valid than anyone else's. I'm not going to put up glowing reviews just because someone EXPECTS me to like something.

As far as people not responding to someone's music post, sure, it's nice to see a show of support but that's a forum members individual decision. A lot of people don't respond unless they have something to say, positive OR negative. You will probably get more responses when people ASK to be critiqued. Our responses (or lack thereof) should not reflect how much we like the poster but how we feel about the post/performance. You can save yourself a lot of grief by not posting something with EXPECTATIONS.

Happy holidays,

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#463640 - 12/22/18 12:01 PM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: cgiles]
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Originally Posted By cgiles
He's still playing over a pre-programmed accompaniment, so what's your point? Not being smart, just don't understand. Playing over an mp3 or a midi file is even less challenging than playing with styles - no chance of hitting a bad chord (in the accompaniment) and even a mediocre player is going to sound decent if the accompaniment track is good.

But seriously, if you listen to the raw energy in the original Al Green version, you'll see (hear/feel) why these type of performances are never able to compete with the magic of musicians interacting with each other in real time. JMO.

chas


True...

But a whole band does not fit in my home studio..
Neither will any of Donny’s regular gigs be prepared to pay for a whole band..

Altough, i find myself more and more playing piano on top of just a drumbeat or even witouth....
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#463647 - 12/22/18 02:15 PM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus

But a whole band does not fit in my home studio..
Neither will any of Donny’s regular gigs be prepared to pay for a whole band..



Bachus, Frank is not an arranger player or a member of this forum so this was posted, I guess, as just a YT performance that Donny liked (I've done that, and so have you) or that he thought some members of this forum would like (and I'm sure SOME did). Nothing wrong with that. Also nothing wrong with someone commenting on it. There have many YT postings that people have commented on, both positively and negatively, so that's nothing new. Are we supposed to gush over every non-specific YT performance that someone decides to post. There are literally millions of such performances out there on YT, some good, some bad, some in-between. The point is, because someone THINKS we are going to like something doesn't always mean we will. We also need to guard against becoming so addicted to positive feedback that there is no room for any other type of comment. JMO.

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#463649 - 12/22/18 03:03 PM Re: Yes, fun playing without styles.....enjoy [Re: Dnj]
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Styles, Mp3, SMf who cares. The dude can play and uses his instrument well. Different drawbar combos and some nice EP to break things up . Thats my kind of music and I really liked it. Keyboard sounds great.
People are amazed and entertained by guitar players with loopers. So whats the big deal if they're playing over some simple tracks they lay down ( and which are locked in ) or a keyboard guy playing over some tracks. I bet this guy could play soulfully over a band too but he does a great job with the track.
Thanks for posting, gave me a break from all the Christmas music. Give us more.
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#463650 - 12/22/18 03:28 PM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: Dnj]
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#463662 - 12/23/18 02:37 AM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: Dnj]
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This thread has reminded me that more isn't always better. I mean that the musician has much more latitude to be creative with simple, unadorned backing. This is nothing new, but something I had lost sight of.

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#463667 - 12/23/18 03:28 AM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: Bernie9]
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Originally Posted By Bernie9
This thread has reminded me that more isn't always better. I mean that the musician has much more latitude to be creative with simple, unadorned backing. This is nothing new, but something I had lost sight of.

Bernie


My dear German friend Allois Müler allways says, less is more..
I tend to agree with him.. most styles sound best with a drum, a base and a guitar track..
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#463675 - 12/23/18 07:24 AM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: Bachus]
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Doesn't KeyBTyros play with midi files?
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#463676 - 12/23/18 08:16 AM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: guitpic1]
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Originally Posted By guitpic1
Doesn't KeyBTyros play with midi files?


Yes he does...

Actually i think they are actuall songfiles specifically created for yamah keyboards...


Edited by Bachus (12/23/18 08:21 AM)
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#463687 - 12/23/18 11:29 AM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: Dnj]
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I have no problem with someone playing over backing tracks. I also have no problem with Chas expressing his opinion.

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#463699 - 12/23/18 03:23 PM Re: Fun playing without styles.... [Re: W Tracy Parnell]
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Originally Posted By W Tracy Parnell
I have no problem with someone playing over backing tracks. I also have no problem with Chas expressing his opinion.


Thank you for that. I appreciate your open-mindedness. I HOPE that is the attitude of the majority of our members. Opinions are just that, OPINIONS.....not FACTS, and they are almost always subjective. On this specific post, let me be clear. I KNOW that Frank is a more than competent player but probably no more so than a thousand other jazz organist out there. I have no problem with a Synthzone member using a backing track to showcase some other skill such as vocals or solo instrument (such as in THIS video) but that's because for the most part, we are all amateurs or hobbyist and it's nice to be able to display a level of skill above the average 'guy on the street'. I also think backing tracks are also ok for many product demonstrations where the product is the focus and not a commercial music production. I think backing tracks are also okay to use on a gig in the proper venue (although I personally would probably not be going to that venue). We also know that a mediocre musician who knows a few hot licks can sound spectacular over a good backing track (which is why even some superstar pro's will use them in concerts (but not in a club setting)).

My thinking is that if you're posting a music performance that is not you nor fits any of the above categories, then at the very least it should be a 'live' performance' and probably accompanied by an explanation of WHY it was posted (on an arranger forum). But again, that's just an OPINION. There is absolutely NO requirement to agree with it (just as there is no requirement to LIKE every random YT video someone posts). To be perfectly honest, I prefer selecting my own viewing preferences. For instance, if I want to hear jazz organ I just go to the YouTube search box and type in 'jazz organ'. If I want to hear some good Country, I can go to the Synthzone Search box and type in 'Don Mason' smile , if I just want to hear/read some extraneous bullshit, I can go to the Synthzone Search box and type in 'cgiles' smile.

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