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#465528 - 01/31/19 12:42 PM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: Dnj]
TedS Member Registered: 04/28/06 Posts: 834 Loc: North Texas, USA	Sorry sparky. I like Roland best, but the BK-9 (at least the style creation engine) was fraught with software bugs, many of which I would guess were never resolved. Similar experience with another boutique brand. So I personally wouldn't pledge any money until after a hands-on test. Yamaha is the most conservative, they rarely introduce new features. Because of this, there's no reason to upgrade from my T5 anytime soon. My $.02.
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#465529 - 01/31/19 01:20 PM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: TedS]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By TedS Sorry sparky. I like Roland best, but the BK-9 (at least the style creation engine) was fraught with software bugs, many of which I would guess were never resolved. Similar experience with another boutique brand. So I personally wouldn't pledge any money until after a hands-on test. Yamaha is the most conservative, they rarely introduce new features. Because of this, there's no reason to upgrade from my T5 anytime soon. My $.02. Many players enjoy the T4 better than T5 or Genos I recall reading..
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#465539 - 01/31/19 04:55 PM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: Dnj]
sparky589 Senior Member Registered: 11/12/11 Posts: 1463 Loc: NJ	I think my real question was how much $$, either estimated or guaranteed, is enough to tip the scales for a company to make a new arranger, or even get their attention? Ted- are you anywhere near Flower Mound? I have family there. Edited by sparky589 (01/31/19 04:56 PM) _________________________ The older I get, the better I was..
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#465541 - 01/31/19 05:04 PM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: Dnj]
DonM Senior Member Registered: 06/25/99 Posts: 16735 Loc: Benton, LA, USA	Our purchases here in the U.S. are not really significant, as far as I know. International sales are a different picture. I have two really great arrangers, Roland EA7 and Korg PA4X. Of course the Korg remains really close to a perfect arranger for me. Not without its faults of course. The Roland sounds good, is very portable but lacks some of the features I like and use. The new OS being released by Korg actually addresses some of my needs, such as ability to freeze KeySet. _________________________ DonM
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#465557 - 02/01/19 06:24 AM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: Dnj]
Riceroni9 Senior Member Registered: 11/15/04 Posts: 1298 Loc: TX, USA	I believe Fran has the same faith I have in "high-end" Arrangers. (No matter the brand!) As folks discover the multi-tasking capabilities, fantastic sounds and features... some of the "stigma" seemingly attached to Arrangers will begin to disappear. Like writing a hit song... all it takes is one... and in this instance, one big name stage presence musician or singer appearing on stage with an arranger... on National TV... will open the floodgates. As I've said before, Arrangers are the best kept secret in the American Music Scene today. (A song-writer's equivalent of the "Cavalry Riding up over the hill to the rescue!) I would be lost without mine. In my case, an Arranger is not a guarantee for success in getting one's songs to performers... but it sure helps level the playing field. (Just one old man's opinion!)
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#465558 - 02/01/19 07:59 AM ARRANGER KEYBOARDS [Re: sparky589]
Harold123 Member Registered: 06/13/10 Posts: 440 Loc: Harrisville Pa USA	We Have NOW 2 Pro Arrangers...Yamaha Genos Released About one Year Ago.....A System update coming soon....Korg PA4x released about 3 years ago...A second System update coming soon...Also For Sure a New Korg Pro Arranger coming within the Year....Really What more can we ask for?...The pro Musicians using Pro Synths or Stage Pianos have No Need to switch to an Arranger...It,s NOT what they WANT Period!...Do We Play Synths very little...They don't fit our Needs...Are arrangers dead No! We have many low end, Middle level arrangers being sold or the top 3 Manufactures would not be spending the money to produce them...We have Korg and Yamaha still offering Total Pro arrangers...WHAT MORE COULD WE ASK FOR?....Just play them and be thankful...Also How Many Here on this forum Have Made Very respectable Living using the Middle range Arrangers?.Just My 2 cents...Count our blessings Friends...Harold Edited by Harold123 (02/01/19 08:06 AM)
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#465559 - 02/01/19 08:37 AM Re: ARRANGER KEYBOARDS [Re: Harold123]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By Harold123 We Have NOW 2 Pro Arrangers...Yamaha Genos Released About one Year Ago.....A System update coming soon....Korg PA4x released about 3 years ago...A second System update coming soon...Also For Sure a New Korg Pro Arranger coming within the Year....Really What more can we ask for?...The pro Musicians using Pro Synths or Stage Pianos have No Need to switch to an Arranger...It,s NOT what they WANT Period!...Do We Play Synths very little...They don't fit our Needs...Are arrangers dead No! We have many low end, Middle level arrangers being sold or the top 3 Manufactures would not be spending the money to produce them...We have Korg and Yamaha still offering Total Pro arrangers...WHAT MORE COULD WE ASK FOR?....Just play them and be thankful...Also How Many Here on this forum Have Made Very respectable Living using the Middle range Arrangers?.Just My 2 cents...Count our blessings Friends...Harold You left out the fantastic KETRON SD9 ?...which in my opinion sounds more live and realistic styles/sounds, and unique features that rival the competition also in many ways then the both mentioned above.
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#465560 - 02/01/19 08:43 AM Re: ARRANGER KEYBOARDS [Re: Dnj]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703
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#465561 - 02/01/19 08:45 AM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: Fran Carango]
Tostie Member Registered: 09/17/06 Posts: 162	Originally Posted By Fran Carango Originally Posted By dud I am not shure that any company will make the effort of making a new proffesional arranger ,its a dad zone , we are only few who interesing in arrangeres , the market is changing there are not places to work with it ,and we are getting older and most of us even do not perform any more. The most mis understood instrument.. Everyone gets caught up in auto play, they miss the point... the arranger keyboard (pro models).. are full feature instruments that can do multiple jobs, and replace any instrument needed to perform.. It is a digital piano, it is a multi layered/ split instrument.. It is an excellent drum machine, or an individual part play like a bass.. to add to real play.. It is a mixer, it is a mic preamp, it is an audio router.. It is a audio and midi interface. And yes it will play back full auto arrangements if that is your need, as well as Audio/midi file playbacks..(Great studio assist features). There is no reason pro arrangers can not survive in a changing music world... They can adapt to any need any musician needs. And age is not a factor at all.... education is.. Amen to that.
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#465568 - 02/01/19 10:07 AM Re: What to expect at Musikmesse 2019. 2–5 April 2019 [Re: dud]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By dud I am not shure that any company will make the effort of making a new proffesional arranger ,its a dad zone , we are only few who interesing in arrangeres , the market is changing there are not places to work with it ,and we are getting older and most of us even do not perform any more. Due to the asian market... salesnumbers of arrangers still top the lists.. However, totl arrangers don’t really sell in Asia as they are quite expensive Future of totl arrangers? They will be combined with high end workstations (which are also considered a death horse)... in an adapted form, think more akin to Ketrons launchpads.. _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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