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#467968 - 03/29/19 05:20 AM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: bruno123]
tony mads usa Offline
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Originally Posted By bruno123

The best part of my life was when I had my band. My arranger keyboard is the best substitute I can find. I’m still there.



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#467970 - 03/29/19 06:13 AM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: tony mads usa]
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Originally Posted By tony mads usa
Originally Posted By bruno123

The best part of my life was when I had my band. My arranger keyboard is the best substitute I can find. I’m still there.



++1 smile

Another ++1 to add. smile

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#467971 - 03/29/19 06:51 AM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: Dnj]
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#467984 - 03/29/19 01:37 PM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: Dnj]
Bill Lewis Offline
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wish that guy would show the keyboards while he's talking. But lots of good info.
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#467985 - 03/29/19 01:41 PM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: Dnj]
Bill Lewis Offline
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IMHO arrangers will morph into workstations and be more software based. It just makes sense to have a system that can be customizd and upgraded as needed by the user. Why companies don't do this more is strange. They could charge for the software updates so as not to loose income from selling new keyboards.
It seems there are so many keyboardists out there using laptops for sounds and effects live that the soft synth market will only grow.
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#467991 - 03/29/19 04:13 PM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: Dnj]
Jerry T Offline
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I had my first paid gigs around 1956. Gone are the days when you showed up with your instrument in hand and just played acoustically. We thought we were hot stuff when we added a (one shared) amp and a (one shared) mic - lead singer in the middle/front and the OOH AHHH singers on the side. Then I went solo when I was introduced to my first little Casio and making backing tracks on cassette. From there, midi; Korg’s i5m, i5s and floppy discs and on and on to Gem, Roland, Ketron et al. Now, I don’t think I could, or would want to, do gigs without an arranger board or module. Well, maybe only strolling accordion when called for … but now I have the ability to transmit midi wirelessly …
Ciao


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#468001 - 03/29/19 10:46 PM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: Bill Lewis]
Fran Carango Offline
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Originally Posted By Bill Lewis
IMHO arrangers will morph into workstations and be more software based. It just makes sense to have a system that can be customizd and upgraded as needed by the user. Why companies don't do this more is strange. They could charge for the software updates so as not to loose income from selling new keyboards.
It seems there are so many keyboardists out there using laptops for sounds and effects live that the soft synth market will only grow.



Bill, very few musicians I know have the patience to learn and use soft synths and arranger software, taking advantage of vst's.
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#468007 - 03/30/19 03:17 AM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: Dnj]
abacus Offline
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Virtually all arranger keyboards are software based these days, however they are bespoke to the manufacture and they only fit hardware that allows small updates before the complete arranger has to be replaced. (Most also don’t allow 3rd party support)

Only two manufactures (That I am aware of) has long term upgrades, (Some free, some cost) these being Wersi and Bohm who make single keyboard versions of their organs with arranger features included, however the arranger features on-board are designed for organ play, (Where the player plays virtually everything themselves) not arranger play, (Although they do now allow 3rd party (From the big arranger manufactures) styles to be used so as to allow an easier transition from arranger play to organ play for those wishing to expand) Wersi (And Bohm with the optional Cloud Station) also allows 3rd party support via a VST Host on-board so that you can have pretty much anything you want.

Both are niche products, and being hand built cost significantly more that an easy play arranger keyboard that is mass produced, (Also organs have never been cheap) however that no one else has followed suit just shows how difficult it is to bring to widespread market, (Most arranger players prefer to press a button and have everything done for them rather than make themselves stand like the old organ players did by developing their own style of playing (Hence arrangers have always been aimed at home players) even though long term it works out cheaper for the customer and manufacture, (Software is much cheaper to change than hardware) for example the original Wersi OAS instruments came out in 2000 and were not discontinued until 2014 (And this was only because certain 3rd party hardware was no longer available) with many sound and feature updates over this time.

Arranger keyboard sales are on the slide and like the entertainment organs that they spawned from, will become a niche market in the future, but will still be around just like organs are.

Bill
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#468012 - 03/30/19 08:12 AM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: abacus]
rphillipchuk Offline
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Ontario Canada
Originally Posted By abacus
Virtually all arranger keyboards are software based these days, however they are bespoke to the manufacture and they only fit hardware that allows small updates before the complete arranger has to be replaced. (Most also don’t allow 3rd party support)

Only two manufactures (That I am aware of) has long term upgrades, (Some free, some cost) these being Wersi and Bohm who make single keyboard versions of their organs with arranger features included, however the arranger features on-board are designed for organ play, (Where the player plays virtually everything themselves) not arranger play, (Although they do now allow 3rd party (From the big arranger manufactures) styles to be used so as to allow an easier transition from arranger play to organ play for those wishing to expand) Wersi (And Bohm with the optional Cloud Station) also allows 3rd party support via a VST Host on-board so that you can have pretty much anything you want.

Both are niche products, and being hand built cost significantly more that an easy play arranger keyboard that is mass produced, (Also organs have never been cheap) however that no one else has followed suit just shows how difficult it is to bring to widespread market, (Most arranger players prefer to press a button and have everything done for them rather than make themselves stand like the old organ players did by developing their own style of playing (Hence arrangers have always been aimed at home players) even though long term it works out cheaper for the customer and manufacture, (Software is much cheaper to change than hardware) for example the original Wersi OAS instruments came out in 2000 and were not discontinued until 2014 (And this was only because certain 3rd party hardware was no longer available) with many sound and feature updates over this time.

Arranger keyboard sales are on the slide and like the entertainment organs that they spawned from, will become a niche market in the future, but will still be around just like organs are.

Bill


Very well written and explained !
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#468014 - 03/30/19 08:51 AM Re: Why Arranger Keyboards Matter.... [Re: abacus]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By abacus

Arranger keyboard sales are on the slide and like the entertainment organs that they spawned from, will become a niche market in the future, but will still be around just like organs are.
Bill


That is until the few remaining that remember them
is still alive......and then there were none.. frown

But as always something new will replace them.. cool2


Edited by Dnj (03/30/19 08:52 AM)

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