We are still talking about different things. Cart your pc with cubase, halion, controller keyboard, and equivalent sound system on stage, press one button and play a cha cha with no prior programming... That's what I mean about apples and cheese. There's much more in a KN then just voices, people buy them because everything they need is in one box.

I'm all for wave rom, the more the better. I've often said they can sell a keyboard with just flash inside and let me decide what to put in it downloaded from the internet. But what you are talking about is a totally different animal to an arranger keyboard. You need a Wersi Abacus, a rather more realistic price point for what you talking about maybe?

Come on Alec, you ought to know good musicians are the result of practice. Much practice. Even student lawyers need to practice. Disagreement. Practice confusion. Learn how to twist and I don’t mean the dance. Truth today needs to be twisted to make money. Somebody has to do it. Just look at corp. america and the stock market to see what truth twisting does. Apple and pears is easy. Making cheese taste like apples or apples look like cheese takes practice and lots of it. Life is too serious. We need more lawyer jokes. No lawyers = no lawyer jokes. Let em practice. When it comes down to apples and oranges, I like the KN’s and how they sound. Other than I need more practice Ruthie likes the way they sound also. I learned a long time ago if I learn to like what Ruthie likes everything runs more smoothly. Learning to like my KN was not necessary. Love at first hearing you might say. One of the few things in life Ruthie and me agreed on from the start. Can’t sing so the harmonizer would be useless. I’m strong so weight doesn't matter. It’s so good considering it’s below a thousand bucks doesn't impress me one little bit. But when I play the people sure like the sound. When they come up to stage and comment on the realistic sound and danceability of the rhythms I grin. When I see the green stuff flutter into the jar when they ask for more I break out into a big smile. Fault finding turns some people on but that’s part of learning how to live with your brothers. I like what I like. Others like what they like. I like my choices and my way of life, besides I’m too old to change.

Grandpa Doug

To read 'MORE' opinions on the KN7000 audio demos (posted on the General Arranger forum), click here:
http://www.synthzone.com/ubbs/Forum37/HTML/003990.html

Actually, you'd be surprised that some do carry their Giga systems on stage. I wouldn't risk it, far too volatile (don't use GIGAStudio anyhow) In fact, I remember one of Techics excellent performers (Danny Dayn) carrying his Atari along with him during the KN1000 era.



Oh, very true. It's really the "band in a box" capability due to the arranger.

But to me the arranger is boring and unflexible, I prefer to play every instrument myself.



Never heard of the Wersi Abacus. Besides, with the advent of software samplers I've not looked back at hardware gear. I have a Yamaha A5000 sampler collecting dust here. Even my PR703 gets less use now, though it's still very useful to me.

I still wish Technics would have allowed the user to at least load a bunch of their own samples. With 128 megs of wave memory one could do a lot!

Oh and sorry for the somewhat late response. Been on holliday.

[This message has been edited by JvG (edited 07-28-2002).]

I resent that. Dutch lawyers are not at all comparable to the lawyer scum of the US.



Well, I don't anymore, because I want to be able to do this:
http://members.chello.nl/j.vangemert/newbeginningfinal.mp3

The mp3 is 1 Meg in size. This is a short segment from John William's score for Spielberg's latest film Minority Report (I'm a film music buff), which I put together today in Cubase + Halion.

I used an expensive string library though for the track, but the result is there. If the KN7000 can't come close to that sound, I'm not buying.

[This message has been edited by JvG (edited 07-29-2002).]

Wersi Abacus is an arranger with windows 98se and cubase built in, and costs twice as much as the 7000.

I can't see JvG's problem - if he hates Technics equipment so much, then nobody is forcing him to buy or use it.

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Willum

Please, what kind of nonsense is this? I've bought Technics stuff for YEARS, starting with the KN1000. I bought a PR703 some months ago for its piano sound. I don't "hate" anything, you should trash that crystal ball you're using to gauge my psychological profle.

Let's keep cool guys... (difficult for us the weather the past few days)
I think the point being made is that in the interests of fairness maybe we should post on Yamaha, Roland, Korg, Ketron, Gem, Casio etc etc forums to the effect that their £2000 keyboards don't have 200 Meg string samples...

(ps this is meant as a joke )

I apologise if I have caused any offence to you JvG but from your generally negative remarks about the KN keyboards, it would seem natural to draw the conclusion that you dislike them and arranger keyboards in general.

What other conclusion can anyone come to, after reading remarks like the following?

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(Quote from Douglas Dean)
...comes down to apples and oranges, I like the KN’s and how they sound.
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Well, I don't anymore, because I want to be able to do this: (Reference to Web Site)
I used an expensive string library though for the track, but the result is there. If the KN7000 can't come close to that sound, I'm not buying.

2. I have some amazing sounding acoustic guitars here, but these are ~30 megs a piece. Meaning one instrument alone would take up about half the available sample rom of the KN7000. Oh well, guess that means my PR703 will be my last technics instrument.

3. The sampled sounds just sounded, well, dull and lifeless. There's no other way to put it. The guitars still sound fake, the vocals were annoyingly sterile.

4. But to me the arranger is boring and unflexible, I prefer to play every instrument myself.

I still stand by my original comment - "I respectfully suggest that you reserve judgement on the KN7000, until you hear the 'Real Thing'" I have listened to the samples on Taiyo site, through good quality sound equipment attached to my PC, which is fitted with a Creative Audigy sound card. In my opinion, the recordings do not give a true representation of the sounds which I heard, during the KN7000 demonstration I attended.


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