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#472537 - 07/08/19 03:02 PM
Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
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#472555 - 07/08/19 07:52 PM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: Dnj]
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Thanks for sharing this Donny~. When I had to stop giggling, my 910 helped pay the bills with piano lessons, which I still do. I also have an upright piano, but for those students who are interested, and whom I feel have enough basic knowledge of chords and theory, I love introducing them to chording on my arranger keyboard! Somewhat of a lost art . . . I can tell you that none of my piano instructors ever taught me how to really CHORD! I do believe it is becoming a lost art, so I do teach it,, when applicable, to students who seem capable of appreciating it!
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#472572 - 07/09/19 06:10 AM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: girljam]
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Thanks for sharing this Donny~. When I had to stop giggling, my 910 helped pay the bills with piano lessons, which I still do. I also have an upright piano, but for those students who are interested, and whom I feel have enough basic knowledge of chords and theory, I love introducing them to chording on my arranger keyboard! Somewhat of a lost art . . . I can tell you that none of my piano instructors ever taught me how to really CHORD! I do believe it is becoming a lost art, so I do teach it,, when applicable, to students who seem capable of appreciating it!
Not sure what you mean by Chording ? Lost Art ?
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#472591 - 07/09/19 11:21 AM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: Dnj]
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#472592 - 07/09/19 11:55 AM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: Bill Lewis]
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Thanks for sharing this Donny~. When I had to stop giggling, my 910 helped pay the bills with piano lessons, which I still do. I also have an upright piano, but for those students who are interested, and whom I feel have enough basic knowledge of chords and theory, I love introducing them to chording on my arranger keyboard! Somewhat of a lost art . . . I can tell you that none of my piano instructors ever taught me how to really CHORD! I do believe it is becoming a lost art, so I do teach it,, when applicable, to students who seem capable of appreciating it!
Not sure what you mean by Chording ? Lost Art ? I was mostly referring to piano teachers . . . I belong to a piano teachers forum, which I really love, but very few instructors will teach their students the basics of chording and progression of chords. I remember watching my father chord with his left hand on his old Hammond organ, and after he was done, I would sit down and copy what he did. My teachers frowned upon this type of playing! Sure, they want their students to be able to read the chord in written notation, but most steer away from anything more than that. I want my students to not only be able to read music, but also to learn to play by ear (if possible), follow and feel rhythms, and develop their own sense of style over time by using every tool available to them! Again, this is just my opinion! I sat down at my 970 today for awhile, no styles, no frills, just played some beautiful music . . . And I am grateful every day that I have the ability to do so, with or without any styles or backing tracks! I play what makes me feel good!!!
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#472597 - 07/09/19 01:26 PM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: girljam]
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Thanks for sharing this Donny~. When I had to stop giggling, my 910 helped pay the bills with piano lessons, which I still do. I also have an upright piano, but for those students who are interested, and whom I feel have enough basic knowledge of chords and theory, I love introducing them to chording on my arranger keyboard! Somewhat of a lost art . . . I can tell you that none of my piano instructors ever taught me how to really CHORD! I do believe it is becoming a lost art, so I do teach it,, when applicable, to students who seem capable of appreciating it!
I know what you mean. I really consider myself a “ chord” player. I don’t think it’s at all a lost art though, but do agree with you 100 percent about piano teachers not teaching chords, and how to practically apply them to music. I tried so hard to find a teacher to work on chord playing with my daughter and I had a really hard time finding a teacher that could or would teach how to play with chords / lead sheets/ comping.., I could teach my daughter but she very resistant to my musical input so I’ve learned to back off. She can play classical violin very well and can play just fine with no sheet music, which makes my very proud. I do wish she did keep up with piano though... Not sure what you mean by Chording ? Lost Art ? I was mostly referring to piano teachers . . . I belong to a piano teachers forum, which I really love, but very few instructors will teach their students the basics of chording and progression of chords. I remember watching my father chord with his left hand on his old Hammond organ, and after he was done, I would sit down and copy what he did. My teachers frowned upon this type of playing! Sure, they want their students to be able to read the chord in written notation, but most steer away from anything more than that. I want my students to not only be able to read music, but also to learn to play by ear (if possible), follow and feel rhythms, and develop their own sense of style over time by using every tool available to them! Again, this is just my opinion! I sat down at my 970 today for awhile, no styles, no frills, just played some beautiful music . . . And I am grateful every day that I have the ability to do so, with or without any styles or backing tracks! I play what makes me feel good!!!
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#472602 - 07/09/19 04:12 PM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: girljam]
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Jill, my favorite subject, chords. My wife who passed away in 1994 attended the School of Performing Arts, you would recognize the name Fame, there was a movie about the school. She played beautifully, sad to say she could not play without the music, unless she memorized the piece.
I started my journey with guitar. I studied with my first teacher for four years. After I spent my time searching for any teacher who knew more than I did. In 1987 I bought my first keyboard. (If my memory serves me right) I used all that I had learned with my guitar and brought it to the keyboard, the best thing I have ever done.
Part two: (smile) Chords and Chord Progression.
1-Chords are the basic harmony in all types of music.
2-Chord theory is important. You should be able to understand any chord, even if it is C13b9 sus4 #5. This is not a difficult learning. 3-If I am backing a singer or a solo instrument, chords and how they are played will effect notes they are singing or playing. Many years ago, a jazz singer asked if the accordion player would sit this one out. When I asked why she said; Accordion players normally voice their chords with the melody on top, which restricted her freedom to express what she was feeling.
4-Chords should be telling a story. It is that story that adds to a song. Chords are very important.
The above does nit normally apply to songs with three and four chords, but they could.
Jill, if you want the rest of the story please let me know. John C.
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#472625 - 07/10/19 12:12 PM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: john smies]
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the video at the start of this thread is an impressive highlighting of the great sound of the Genos, no doubt about it. What has come to draw my attention over the last 12 months or more is the fact that more often than not performances on the Genos are INSTRUMENTAL rather than backing up vocals. EVen my highly proficient fellow countryman Rico mainly ( or solely?)does instrumental stuff on the Genos. Whereas quite a number of folks who use the keyboard as the band accompanying their vocals, e.g. Don Mason, Uncle Dave, Donny,Scott Yee, etc. tend to go for the Korg PA4x or other arranger. Gary is a noticable exception here, loyal as he has been to Yamaha, and to his vocal chords...
regards John You are quite right John,....Playing as a pro arranger Kb artist and being a singer is the total package and requires and exceptional skill. When it is done right using both it sounds amazing.... but when done not so good it can leave a listener wondering what is going on It is definitely an squired skill that needs to be honed on stage performing in front of hundreds of people for many years to get it right and you will learn more each time after that. Most shy away from singing or use some weird excuses not to. I agree after using many many many kORG & Yamaha, Ketron & Roland units...sure you can do it with them all if you know how...but, I have to tip the hat to KORG Pa4x for the LIVE pro Arranger/Singer hands down it has it all. I've already had two of them..... & who knows I just might go back for a third try. It is certainly the Total performance package. Like it or not but just to prove a point,.. ...Here is a short PA4x demo w/vocal using the KAOSS feature to change the rhythm mid stream I recorded with my last KORG Pa4x.... https://app.box.com/s/ueeuroicimykiuyant7ja07005tr012t
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#472650 - 07/11/19 07:15 AM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: Dnj]
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Fantastic Donny, as usual! Love the style change! Yesterday while I was perusing my old desktop hard drive, I ran across a few of my very first attempts at recording when I had my first arranger, the 2100. Boy, I have come a long way, but considering I did not have much expertise with an arranger, they really weren’t that terrible, lol.
Hoping to record some things in the near future, I see most of you are using box or YouTube to share recordings . . .
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#472654 - 07/11/19 07:29 AM
Re: Live Arranger Keyboard & Piano playing | 07-07-201
[Re: bruno123]
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Jill, my favorite subject, chords. My wife who passed away in 1994 attended the School of Performing Arts, you would recognize the name Fame, there was a movie about the school. She played beautifully, sad to say she could not play without the music, unless she memorized the piece.
I started my journey with guitar. I studied with my first teacher for four years. After I spent my time searching for any teacher who knew more than I did. In 1987 I bought my first keyboard. (If my memory serves me right) I used all that I had learned with my guitar and brought it to the keyboard, the best thing I have ever done.
Part two: (smile) Chords and Chord Progression.
1-Chords are the basic harmony in all types of music.
2-Chord theory is important. You should be able to understand any chord, even if it is C13b9 sus4 #5. This is not a difficult learning. 3-If I am backing a singer or a solo instrument, chords and how they are played will effect notes they are singing or playing. Many years ago, a jazz singer asked if the accordion player would sit this one out. When I asked why she said; Accordion players normally voice their chords with the melody on top, which restricted her freedom to express what she was feeling.
4-Chords should be telling a story. It is that story that adds to a song. Chords are very important.
The above does nit normally apply to songs with three and four chords, but they could.
Jill, if you want the rest of the story please let me know. John C. Would love to hear the rest of your story! I am very familiar with NY School of Perf. Arts, my sister almost went there!! Ah yes, chords and harmonies.... one of FAV topics as well. I also sing and perform with a female acapella chorus. . . . And it is never MORE evident when is chord is discordant than when you are singing without music behind you!!! Was considering becoming an arranger for barbershop groups . . . PM me anytime! ]
Edited by girljam (07/11/19 07:30 AM)
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