I posted this as a reference if it helps.... All I can say as I am not a piano player nor expert in listening to the suitableness & nuances of each,....but I am glad you shared you music with us here and good luck to you.
#473784 - 07/31/1902:45 PMRe: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700
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Kabinopus
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In Russian we often call the piano as "Fortepiano". Obviously, "forte" means "loudly" and "piano" means "quietly". To me the common problem with digital keyboards is that some of them do not really let you enjoy the both ways of playing - "forte" and "piano". Yet, I've been more or less satisfied with Yamaha's algorithm, which they call as "dynamic filter". Also, we know about multisamples, which also helps.
I'm not sure if I can judge by the demo, but I have an impression that so far this Steinway tends to be more "forte" than "piano".
Today I've recorded a piece on my PSR-S950, the factory piano is used (a brighter one) with a dark layer behind it:
But, frankly, I'm a bit bored with this factory sound, so I understand that what you're doing can be quite a big deal.
Ive been learning how to import soundfonts into my Pa700. Still at an early stage as I learn new stuff the sounds will evolve. And yes its good to have new sounds in your palette. Ive already got some variations on the above sound.
#473787 - 07/31/1903:12 PMRe: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700
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cgiles
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Kabinopus, a beautiful tune and very nicely played. To be honest, I'd love to hear you do it on an acoustic Grand. That's not to say that the 950 sounds bad, it's just that it's the type of tune that would really benefit (tone and dynamics) from being played on an acoustic. BTW, please give us more of your lovely work. I really enjoyed it.
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#473792 - 07/31/1904:18 PMRe: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700
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Stephenm52
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Kabinopus, Very nice! Kudos to you for playing it so well on an S950, I'm betting you would sound even better on an acoustic piano.
Musical Memories I applaud your work with the PA700 piano but as a guy whose training was on piano and who worked for the Steinway dealer for a number of years it's difficult to reproduce what a pianist feels and hears at a real Steinway. Nevertheless for using an arranger on a gig the piano does the job very well. Nice work!
I've been working on some new sounds for the Korg Pa700 this a Steinway Grand Piano sound using Soundfonts. Would be greatful for some feedback.
Congratulations, this piano sample has the character, it sounds raw and wooden and has what I miss in those bright, streamlined Yamaha piano sounds. You can hear the natural resonance body of the piano, and the tiny differences from key to key, or even flaws, the original piano had from which it‘s sampled. - Just what others remarked, during your playing it stayed in the forte layer, a soft layer was missing a bit. How many velocity layers does this waveform have? But I like the general sound very much.
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My Dad was a pro. Piano player and piano tuner. I have been tuning pianos for the last 60 years. After tuning a $70,000 Steinway I had the opportunity to tune a $125,000 Bosendorfer (spelling?) I thought the Steinway had a better sound.
My point, the best piano sound is what sounds best to you. My preference is full round mellow sound.
Keep searching/creating for a piano that sounds good to you, John C
I have only once converted SF2 waveforms to the Yamaha MOXF, so I can‘t help you technically. You mean there are four waveforms in total, piano and forte each for left and right? Of course you can‘t make three layers if it was only sampled with two layers...
#473914 - 08/01/1907:41 PMRe: Demo Of A 'Steinway Grand Piano' Sound Korg Pa700
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Stephenm52
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Originally Posted By bruno123
My Dad was a pro. Piano player and piano tuner. I have been tuning pianos for the last 60 years. After tuning a $70,000 Steinway I had the opportunity to tune a $125,000 Bosendorfer (spelling?) I thought the Steinway had a better sound.
My point, the best piano sound is what sounds best to you. My preference is full round mellow sound.
Keep searching/creating for a piano that sounds good to you, John C
While working at the Steinway dealer in the 70s I remember being told that Steinway Hall in NYC had an area with concert grands where a visiting artist in town to play a concert could choose the concert grand that most appealed to them.
Your point is well taken the best piano sound is what sounds best to you.
No there was only a left and right sample. I could copy the oscillators and change the cutoff or Eq to make them sound softer.
Sounds like there is only one velocity layer then, except if the two waveforms contain multi-velocity samples in one sample file. I don‘t know if SF2 uses those sample file types. Maybe Dan from Varranger can help you with such questions.
In Russian we often call the piano as "Fortepiano". Obviously, "forte" means "loudly" and "piano" means "quietly". To me the common problem with digital keyboards is that some of them do not really let you enjoy the both ways of playing - "forte" and "piano". Yet, I've been more or less satisfied with Yamaha's algorithm, which they call as "dynamic filter". Also, we know about multisamples, which also helps.
I'm not sure if I can judge by the demo, but I have an impression that so far this Steinway tends to be more "forte" than "piano".
Today I've recorded a piece on my PSR-S950, the factory piano is used (a brighter one) with a dark layer behind it:
But, frankly, I'm a bit bored with this factory sound, so I understand that what you're doing can be quite a big deal.
Your pianist skills are decent, don‘t you think it would be more rewarding to buy a digital piano with hammer action for your piano tunes in addition? I can recommend Roland FP-10/30 or Yamaha P-121/125.
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