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#473854 - 08/01/19 10:08 AM Re: It is here. [Re: DonM]
jingleman Offline
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Registered: 08/02/05
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Loc: The Villages, FL, USA
Originally Posted By DonM
They should hire me to do those demos. I'd have every cowboy in Texas buying arrangers. smile

Don, I’m with you on that. My head is spinning. There may be an sd40 up for sale after seeing this new sx900.

Damn...I’m a sucker for the, as Donny called it,”Genos II...”Baby Genos”. Gary...you have to hang in there to teach many who will be jumping on this keyboard. I hope the sail boat sells...you need this keyboard on your bucket list smile
JM

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#473855 - 08/01/19 10:08 AM Re: It is here. [Re: cgiles]
Tom NL Offline
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Registered: 10/31/04
Posts: 181
Loc: Holland
Originally Posted By cgiles
Tom, I think I'm entitled to my opinion without having to provide you with a video of me. How many times have YOU been requested to provide a video of YOUR performance for criticizing an artist or piece of gear that you didn't like. Obviously, you're a fan of Martin Harris (if that's who it is). I didn't find his demos particularly inspirational in the sense that they greatly differentiated this arranger keyboard from any of a number of others. As someone else noted, they all sound good at this point. Yes, the production and sound quality of the videos was very good but sometimes that just enhances what you DON'T like about something.

chas



Hi Chas,

Nope, not a fan but I do think he is a very talented musician. But to each his own I guess. I believe Martin is the R&D manager for all arranger keyboard products at Yamaha by the way.

You don’t have to provide me with any video of course, but since I thoroughly enjoyed these demos, I looked forward to seeing one of yours if it is even better.

Regards,

Tom
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#473856 - 08/01/19 10:11 AM Re: It is here. [Re: jingleman]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally Posted By jingleman
Originally Posted By DonM
They should hire me to do those demos. I'd have every cowboy in Texas buying arrangers. smile

Don, I’m with you on that. My head is spinning. There may be an sd40 up for sale after seeing this new sx900.

Damn...I’m a sucker for the, as Donny called it,”Genos II...”Baby Genos”. Gary...you have to hang in there to teach many who will be jumping on this keyboard. I hope the sail boat sells...you need this keyboard on your bucket list smile
JM


I thought you were over the Moon with the Ketron SD40 confused1

what happened?....

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#473857 - 08/01/19 10:17 AM Re: It is here. [Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 03/22/17
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I agree with Chas. This keyboard really doesn't SOUND any better than my 3000. Of course I haven't heard the new steel guitar.
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#473858 - 08/01/19 10:20 AM Re: It is here. [Re: ekurburski]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Originally Posted By ekurburski
I agree with Chas. This keyboard really doesn't SOUND any better than my 3000. Of course I haven't heard the new steel guitar.


Listening close it does have that similar Yamaha signature sound
like many of the the S units,...it's strengths are the newer features
I would say,...if you need them.

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#473859 - 08/01/19 10:29 AM Re: It is here. [Re: DonM]
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Managed to get through a couple of dozen (I think) before I was bored stiff with them, yes there were one or two nice features but basically it’s just quality sounds for the price and canned styles, (A number sounding song specific ugh!) or to put it another way the same as every other arranger out there. (There is just no innovation (In the boards or from a lot of arranger players) that jumps out and says Hey, I am something special, buy me now to make your world a better place)

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#473860 - 08/01/19 10:48 AM Re: It is here. [Re: Tom NL]
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
Originally Posted By Tom NL

You don’t have to provide me with any video of course, but since I thoroughly enjoyed these demos, I looked forward to seeing one of yours if it is even better.

Regards,

Tom


Tom, 'better' is highly subjective. I'm sure Martin Harris is a MUCH better musician than I and an experienced demonstrator as well. First of all, if you enjoy this type of music, it's unlikely you'd like anything I did. Taste in music is a very personal thing, usually heavily influenced by one's cultural environment (familiarity). I have posted tons of music here but hardly any (if any at all) have been 'style' based and most were done on organ, synths, and other non-arranger keyboards. I DO own (and am interested in) arranger keyboards, just not as performance instruments. Some here are able to use them very effectively in a pro environment; I have just chosen to use organ as my primary or base instrument. I also prefer to play with other musicians. For me, arrangers are both fun and useful for song creation, instant style experimentation, and communicating arrangement concepts to other musicians (in preparation for a group performance). To gig or not to gig with one should be a personal decision that does not require defending. "Different strokes for different folks".

Do I like arranger performances? Generally no, but there are exceptions. When a blind guitarist can't distinguish Don's simulated guitar from a real guitar, then YES, I like it. When Marco Parisi plays a blistering solo that provides all the 'groove' (feel, syncopation) that might be missing from the more robotic arranger backing he is using, then YES, I like it. When someone takes the time to learn all the potential musical features buried in the average MOTL/TOTL arranger, and then use them in a performance, then YES, I like it. Sorry, I just didn't hear that in the demos being discussed here. Be well.

chas
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#473862 - 08/01/19 10:58 AM Re: It is here. [Re: Dnj]
jingleman Offline
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Registered: 08/02/05
Posts: 1297
Loc: The Villages, FL, USA
Originally Posted By Dnj
I thought you were over the Moon with the Ketron SD40 confused1

what happened?....

Donny, Since I’ve gone back to work...nights by the way, My time is so limited for enjoyment playing. I love the sd40...but sometimes I just want to turn on the keyboard and play with the wide variety of styles Yamaha provides.

My goal was to get the guitar synced up with the sd40, but with my limited time available...that will be a while.

The Genos is not an option for me, and I’m not necessarily upset by that. But, this might be the next best (better) option.

I’ve always been a sucker for the next best thing. Ever since the 360 Systems digital keyboard...circa 1985.
Jm

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#473863 - 08/01/19 11:04 AM Re: It is here. [Re: jingleman]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Originally Posted By jingleman
Originally Posted By Dnj
I thought you were over the Moon with the Ketron SD40 confused1

what happened?....

Donny, Since I’ve gone back to work...nights by the way, My time is so limited for enjoyment playing. I love the sd40...but sometimes I just want to turn on the keyboard and play with the wide variety of styles Yamaha provides.

My goal was to get the guitar synced up with the sd40, but with my limited time available...that will be a while.

The Genos is not an option for me, and I’m not necessarily upset by that. But, this might be the next best (better) option.

I’ve always been a sucker for the next best thing. Ever since the 360 Systems digital keyboard...circa 1985.
Jm


If you don't have the time anymore why not just sell it and wait till you have much more time....just to fool around you can do that with a 61/49 controller and a DAW on your Pc or I'm sure many S970/975 units will be for grabs at a steal soon.
Good luck with what ever you choose

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#473864 - 08/01/19 11:20 AM Re: It is here. [Re: Dnj]
Fran Carango Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
A wise man never sells unless he has to... remember you never lose a dime until you sell. wink

BTW: here is a lesson I learned a while ago.

I will call it my $50 lesson smile

Roland SH101 retailed new at $295 (I was a Roland dealer), after a few years they were readily available for $50 used.. Same with Roland TR707, Rhodes pianos, and many more... $50 items, that I could have bought up by the scores.. Any ideal what those $50 instruments bring today? And not collectors , but a lot of users.. SH101 $800-$1,000, TR707 $500-$700,Rhodes $1,000-$1,500.

Donny now think about how much $$$ you threw away grin


Edited by Fran Carango (08/01/19 11:32 AM)
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