Intros and endings Really brings back memories
of the big Home Organs of years ago.

I guess no Bossa fans...

No....no big Home Organ fans .

You don't like your big home B3 anymore Chas?

I don't think a B3 is the first thing that comes to mind when you say 'Home Organ'. I think of Lowrey, Thomas, Baldwin, etc. So do most people, at least the ones I know.

Hammond was a big player in the home organ heyday, however not with the traditional B3 but their home entertainment instruments. (The Hammond B3 was known as a proper organ (Unless you were one of the few that believed only pipe organs were real)
Most players played the intros/endings themselves rather than using the canned (Sort of) built in intro/endings of the later instruments. (No substitute for playing it live with your own hands and feet for full satisfaction)

Bill

Your liking your PA700 ?

I asked Donny this question twice and he ignored me both times lol

He must be loving it a lot !!!

Donny, I love Organ -- Bossa Nova, Organ Blues, Organ Jazz styles, my favorites.

John C,

Not me, if it looks like a big wooden Home organ, etc,etc,
... B3 Big wooden Home Organ sorry.

The simple answer is yes so far.. My feelings aren't much different than my previous posts on my Pa4x and PA1000 if you search SZ..

But you dumped the PA4x and PA1000

I recorded a short demo live on my Pa700 Organ Bossa Style...
would love to hear some of the other Organ Bossas
on different units too like the G70, Tyros,
Genos, Pa4x,Pa900, SD7/9, etc...


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Fran get your facts straight it was (2) Pa4x's

LOL! Donny...you made my morning

I quickly customized the Jazz Bossa style on the EA7 and winged it with the tune Donny used.. I accidently hit the bender (pitch), instead of modulation (Leslie). But I think you can get my intentions.



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Fran that was a nice demo well done sounds so live too
...is that the EA7 "Organ Bossa" (op)
or a Jazz Bossa..
common people more more...

Jazz bossa, same as on the G70, I used organ bass, changed the piano , added an organ, and used a different jazz guitar instead of nylon guitar.. Raised velocity on the drum kit..

Just got home from work and able to listen to this.

Fantastic, sounds superb. To boot, I love this song anyway, one of my favourites that I play a lot "Come Prima" is beautiful. But I play it using a slow rock similar style to Earth Angel.

Danny thanx would love to hear your version...

Organ Bossa played on G70






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Donny, nice recording, thanks. Latin music is my favorite, John C.

Donny I guess no one is interested in posting bossa styles.

I did my part to try and get folks into it...

Maybe they didn't like my human imperfections , I am an expert there..

Bosa Nova when you keep it simple sounds beautiful. It’s gentle, too much destroys that beauty.

John C.

Fran, you sound like a pro. (smile)

Donny and Fran, nice recordings ...

Donny, I will record a sample of the Organ Bossa from the Pa900 later this week ...

John, for the most part, yes ... but songs like Walter Wanderley's "Summer Samba" are somewhat busy, yet still has beauty ... JMHO

Fran great intro.....G70 still has it baby!

Tony excellent can't wait to hear that for sure!!

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This one is the "Sunshine Bossa" on the E80,Rock Piano on upper1

Jazz guitar on upper 2.

Nice one Terry well done mate.....
do you also have an "Organ Bossa" too (op)

Everyone nice job on the Bossa Novas with one of the great tunes of all time.

Steve how about a quick Genos demo version
with those Revo drums Organ bossa.

Great tune, yeah but maybe EVERYbody should 'review' the chord changes, especially the bridge. Just keeping it real.

chas

Chas please demo your version so we can hear those correct changes before we discuss... I'm always ready to learn something new......that said Arranger KB Organ Bossa style is the (OP) not chord changes
Just keeping it real.

Oh boy, the typical standard reply. Jeez, get some new material. Have we gotten to the point now where no one can even make a comment that isn't 100% complimentary? How many times have I heard YOU make 'suggestions' about musical postings? Let me help you, HUNDREDS! So Donny, is it the comment or is it whether the object of the comment is friend or foe?

chas

Chas common Angry again this morning ?....
it's too early I am enjoying my Oatmeal & fresh strawberry & bananas
so excuse me if I ignore your negative rhetoric..
I'm not taking your bait..now back to my happy breakfast.

Chas Great call on chord changes I have been trying to hit the correct changes of the bridge of that song for 40 years and none of them still sound right to me, so I would very much welcome the chord changes you use because they are most likely much better than mine. No shame, I have the song on at least 10 different cheat sheets and they are all differant.
MEL

I agree, MEl, lots of differences between cheat sheets. Not sure which is correct, but to me, it never made a difference because no one in my audience ever seemed to know either.

All the best,

Gary

GARY I came to the conclusion that those notes are not on any keyboard I have ever had.
MEL

Mel, I use these changes (the original Jobim changes).

https://www.slideshare.net/jiricervenyhad/the-girl-from-ipanema

chas

I've been using these. Seems to work, when I'm able to hit them.
The Girl from Ipanema
Words & Music by Vincius De Moraes & Antonio Carlos Jobim English lyrics by Norman Gimbel
Recorded by Stan Getz, 1964 (#5), vocal by Astrid Gilberto
FM7 G7
Tall and tan and young and lovely, the girl from Ipanema goes walking,
Gm7 F#7 FM7 F#7
And when she passes, each one she passes goes, "Ahhh."
FM7 G7
When she walks, she's like a samba that swings so cool and sways so gentle,
Gm7 F#7 FM7
That when she passes, each one she passes goes, "Ahhh."

F#+7 F#7 C9 F#m7 D9
Oh, but I watch her so sadly; How can I tell her I love her?
Gm Gm7
Yes, I would give my heart gladly,
Am7 Dm7-5
But each day when she walks to the sea,
Gm7 F#
She looks straight ahead, not at me.

FM7 G7
Tall and tan and young and lovely,the girl from Ipanema goes walking,
Gm7 F#7
And when she passes, I smile,
FM7 F#7 FM7 F#7
But she doesn't see, no she doesn't see,
FM7
No she doesn't see.
EDIT: The chords are spaced correctly before I post, but are bunched together after posting.

BIG Ditto Gary GREAT POST!!

Thank you everyone. at last The middle fits with the rest of the song. What a great group of friends we have here.
MEL

Well okay then, I guess it's okay to just make it up as we go. I like the way you think, guys.

chas

Don, I'm so used to seeing 'maj' that it took me a minute to recognize your CAPITOL 'M' and small 'm'. At first I thought, 'are you kidding me, he's starting with an f MINOR?'. Of course after the brain freeze thawed ...... In fact, I'm going to start notating that way (I'll take the easy way to do ANYTHING ). There are so many shortcuts in music notation, it's hard to remember them all. I guess you just have to adopt your own system and stick to it. I wish some of the notation software would allow for 'custom' shortcuts. Most don't.

chas

chas ... I use the same ones from the Real Book Vol (?) ...
Not to send Donny's post south, perhaps you could start another thread telling us what substitutions or additions you might use?

You ARE kidding, right ?!?

Whether my audience knows or not, I take personal pride in knowing that I'm playing the correct chords (at least most of the time ) ... I really can't (or don't want to) believe anyone else on this board feels differently ...

Tony lets face it...no one is perfect...close enough will have to do, as long as it sounds really good and you can do that easily and I assume you know that after so many years like many of us know playing for audiences..simplified versions, omitted Original beginning verses, and on and on it goes. Making a song your own does include using whatever chords you like. I have heard man so called pros use the so called correct chords and still sound like crap,....
there is more to it then just playing the right chords imo.
And I also think criticism should be backed up with example of which many here never do, it definitely ends the argument, talk is cheap.
That said Gary makes sense in many ways..

Tony, I play it pretty much straight; maybe re-voice a few chords in the interest of hand position. My 'canned' solo is pretty much directly stolen from an old Groove Holmes recording of it from the 60's or 70's. But let's not offend our friend Donny, who has NEVER, EVER, taken a post 'south'. BTW, your last post expresses my sentiments EXACTLY.

chas

Ironically, I used the same chords DonM used, they fit my vocals, comfortably. And, No Tony, I'm not kidding - it's called ad liibbing: Short for ad libitum. A term used in jazz music as a slang for an improvised solo, or a solo performed without written notation, but where the performer improvises a melody based around the melodic and harmonic structure of the original melody.

This is one of those timeless songs that just about every audience recognized, I always enjoyed playing it and my Latin audiences loved to dance to it. There was a time when I sang it in Portuguese and Spanish, but alas, that was quite a long time ago. Now, I can no longer sing, so I didn't post a rendition.

All the best,

Gary

I'll admit, I dropped the two measures before closing out the bridge, on both of my Bossa demoes.

I wasn't trying to be accurate, as I mentioned I winged it .


I also noticed after recording that the bass inversion made it sound different than intended..

But the point was to illustrate the different bossa organ styles of different instruments.

Which has little or nothing to do with what we're talking about here. There is a slight difference between a melody and a chord change. In general, one can be improvised freely; the other, with a great deal of caution (and musical knowledge).

As for the post being primarily about STYLES, (IMO) a style is best demonstrated when the listener is not distracted by errant chords. JMO.

chas (JMO MEANS JMO)

Chas here are the correct chords

Multi tracks, using the E-A7.




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Yep, those are the correct chords (at least they're the ones I use). If you're looking for a critique, lose the piano. That E-A7 sounds pretty good, are they the same voices as in my BK7m? I use it as my go-to drum machine (love those Roland drums). I still use some of the styles (drums) you gave me a few years back. They still sound terrific and fit well with the kind of music I play. I still owe you a burger for that .

chas

The BK7m is different in drum kits available and the collection of SRX tones found in the E-A7.. but they can sound very similar.

There are more and some newer voices in the EA7, particularly piano.
Drums sound the same to me.
Intro one on most of the EA7 styles has been reworked to use as a break/fill.
Regarding the charts, I really prefer to put my chord changed in line with the lyrics. Like "Your cheatin' [1] heart, will tell on [4] you. You'll cry and [5-7] cry, like us old farts do...."

Thanx Fran....Finally someone really "GETS IT"!!
key word here is ORGAN.

https://youtu.be/tDHyWgVMGqk

I found this old video we did of the Girl From Ipanema. My chord changes come the Real Book, with some substitutions I use on the bridge. I’m not sure if they’re “ theoretically correct” but it works for us. The guitar player in this video is a Spanish flamenco player, he said he had never played the tune before so I had to go over the changes quickly before the gig. He did alright but he was differently out of his confort zone.

Also my wife, who is a Spanish speaking Mexican did the best she could with her limited Portugués.

Nice job Paul thank you for sharing your work...
I'm a big Fan!
So nice to have people talk with their playing.

Gary I'm fully aware of what ad lib means ... I often do it, but because of my limited music theory training I stick the the original chord structure and 'play off' the melody line ...
When someone 'takes off' on the chord structure, and it sounds bad, well then that's what it is - BAD ... I don't care if the person is OMB or a seasoned 'PRO' ...
Your response to Mel implied that you don't know if the chords are correct but that's fine because your audience doesn't know either, and when Donny answered that that was a "GREAT POST" I couldn't believe that those comments were coming from two people who made their living playing music !!! ...

Gary, check your PM ...

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Donny,the only "Organ Bossa"style I could find on the E80

was on the external memory card,so it could be from anywhere

so probably not a Roland style.I have 1812 styles on the memory

card so it could be any brand.

Terry wow that was very interesting in a one note Sambaish kind of way... I really liked it... Thanx for sharing with us.

Tony, you have a PM.

Gary

Wow, Wow, 64 replies and 628 views. Let nobody question the value of Donny on this forum. Us old guys, that’s anyone over 60, can take a simple thought and turn it into a circus. And that ain’t all bad, as long as we never forget is that all we have is are own personal opinions.

“The right chords” Now what is that? There is no such thing as the right chords. The right chords for you are the right chords. When we play, we are telling a story, and we are allowed to use whatever chords we wish to use.

64 replies and 628 views, Donny, don’t go nowhere, John C.

PS, a thank you for all those that gave their opinions.

Great post! ...
Thank you John

Tony, Bosa Nova are gentile, they are used many times to tell love stories. And you are right about Summer Samba being exciting and busy, Latin music cover every emotion you can think of.

Their ballads are the slowest, and their fast music makes you dance.
Latins are emotional people, it's displayed in their music.
John C.

John, on this we will have to agree to disagree ...
The right chords are the chords the composer gave us to use ... yes, we are telling a story, but we telling the story as written by the composer ... If someone is playing "Misty" I want to hear the chords Errol Garner wrote ...
JMHO

I do see your point Tony, but a musician that has a good understanding of harmonic structure can use all sorts of substitution chords and even reharmoize a song.
We have all have probably heard great jazz pianists do very sophisticated version of simple pop tunes. Sometimes it can be quite effective.

Tony is correct.....the problem is that some of you are missing his point. Sure you can improvise, reharmonize, and do all sorts of things to a tune, BUT, it still is done from a base structure, a defined guideline, whatever. Get so far away from that base that it is no longer recognizable and it's no longer THAT song. It may have been INSPIRED by that song, but it's no longer that song.

Donny complains about his OP going 'south' but loves the high post count which results from it. Makes it seem like a post is more interesting than it really is. For a day and a half there was 0 or 1 response to the OP causing him to question whether there were any Organ Bossa style fans; apparently not a lot. Wow, I can't believe I stayed up this late for a pre-season game...must be starving for some football.

chas

Nitey nite Chas.

Good night guys.... 3am

5:30 am. I’m too old for this sh#@!
JM

Just going to bed or getting up ?!?

I am pretty sure we went south on this one.

You can "Blame it on the Bossa Nova"

Jerryghr

My opinion:
Tony, we are coming from different places. I do respect your opinion, and I am going to do my best to explain mine.

As a guitar player I was interested in chords structure and reharmonizing songs. I studied with Joe Monk, he was the music instructor in a New York City music school. I told him that I was interested in moving chords, he smiled at the term I used, he said let’s get started. The song was Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. When we were done Twinkle Twinkle Little Star was filled with many added chords, it was now a jazz tune. After three years of taking lessons I learned how to make a song sound different, more to my taste.

Misty Errol Garner example:
If you purchase a book of Errol Garner songs you will find simple type of chords. If you purchase a book with his original solo you will not find the same type of chords. He is not using the simple chords, in fact he also adds a few bars of a different song and returns. This is the part of Errol Garner that people love, he is different, he is Errol Garner, and sounds like Errol Garden.
There lies my belief. So Tony, both of our beliefs are correct, just different.

John C.
PS, I have posted this thought and offered to share what I know on, no one showed any interest. ???????

John, I totally agree with what you are saying about improvising by means of chord substitution, adding chords, adding 'quotes' from other songs etc., in fact, my accordion teacher would do the same thing when teaching beginners simple songs just to show what could be done ...
BUT, to me, those 'different' chords are still the 'correct' chords in that they follow a certain structure ...
Perhaps we are just hung up on semantics ...

Just going to bed. You can blame me...I live about as far South as you can get

Years ago, my partner on B-3, Tommy Johnston and I were at the Midland Tavern in Frankfort. A lanky kid came in with jeans and boots. He was dancing up a storm. When an elderly lady asked fr the Tennessee Waltz, my smart-ass partner began playing it as a jazz waltz (Think Gravy waltz).

The kid walked up and said, "man, don't mess with the tune". Johnson, then about 50 and a tough police judge in the daytime said, "Yea? You play, man". "A little trumpet", replied the kid.

"Well go get that bad boy", Johnson said with a smile, ready to bury the kid. He comes back in with a paper bag. Inside was a leather case. Inside was a top end Benge.

Johnson said "what do you want to play", showing a little concern when he saw what was in the bag. "Anything you call", said the kid.

Tom smiled, ready to slam the hammer on the guy and said "how about FOUR"? "Fine" said the kid. "What key" says Johnson. ""Stock" says the kid, and hit the first note. Johnson spent the rest of that song sweating and trying to keep up.

The kid was first chair in the Stan Kenton band, on vacation in Frankfort, visiting family.

"Sir", the kid said "I wasn't at all trying to be a smart-ass, but sometimes, the best thing is to play the tune".

Sometimes, improvisation that gets too far from the lead line, or too far into running alternate chords does a lot of harm. In this case, the only accomplishment was the woman thought we didn't know the tune. Not good in a dining room.

I don't f*** with the Jobim chords when playing "Ipanima" or "Misty", although I sometimes play Misty "Up".

Great kid, great player and a valuable lesson.


Russ

Sometimes 'South' turns out to be an interesting direction . BTW, I feel the same way; some tunes are just to 'perfect' to mess with.

chas

Nice freindly chatter, thank you Tony, John C.

" to perfect " or " too perfect ???

The devil made me do it !!!

aarrrrggg!!! You got me. I don't usually make that mistake; I think Donny edited my post . But you've started it now Tony, we'll be watching your every word . BTW, did you notice how much Donny is enjoying the direction this thread has taken?



chas

Actually I'm not ....I started this thread to see what other
Arranger KB players using the Organ Bossa Style
would sound like on their unit nothing fancy just a few short bars, Intro/Endings etc, It had nothing to do with "The Girl From Ipanema" that was just my example off the top of my head. Well we didn't hear much of that (expected) although I thank all who understood the (OP) and offered their versions. Instead we got,.....ahhhh what's the use we all know how this ended. Oh well I have since removed my demo & thank all who participated. And who knows if we keep arguing we'll reach 1000 views! Just sayin'...

Donny. Seriously. Stop deleting your own posts. If you question whether you might ever want to delete something while you are posting….don’t post it. I always enjoy your musical contributions and am highly envious of your pipes, enjoy your phrasing and general talent. But, I gotta say to post and delete is just rude.
Eddie

Eddie we'll just agree to disagree on that ...
but here you go buddy.

https://app.box.com/s/6fv6u1s08n39gimrxero9bdxv1odliyp


That said I think it's time I take a break from SZ...
enjoy the summer everyone.

You and Gary both taking a break? What will happen?

Donny will go into "link posting" withdrawal, buy something, and be back strong as ever, and Gary will feel better after a few days of self medicating with Honey Whatcha-Booze, and come back to solve all our problems.
I'm headed to work now ... think I'll open with "The Girl From Ipanema" tonight ... it's all I-vi-ii-V7, isn't it?

Be sure to use sloppy blues scale and slur your notes.

And sing like me - a little 'desafinado' ...