Finally a new Fantom

https://www.roland.com/global/products/fantom_series/features/

A new step, integrating onboard sounds with daw and softtsynths/vst


Maybe Roland will also make an arranger based version with this new tech. As the G70 is from the same era as the fantom

Well, i am sold, this one will just fit nicely on top of my Genos

I noticed a spec not stated... polyphony..

I have heard Roland was coming out with a workstation, that collectively could be as high as 512 polyphony

Maybe it is not known for sure... yet

never count out ROLAND....just sayim`

I went on YouTube this morning and it said "new Roland Fantom" and I thought I was seeing things. Very impressive machine, maybe there is hope for the Roland arrangers yet. Impossible to predict what these companies will do.

Yes Roland will sell a ton of these for sure...
I would assume some of those features will be
implemented in whatever new arranger kb they release also.

In one part of the video Tibbs shows parts of a song being assembled using a verse, chorus and so on with the touch screen. Style assembly could be done in a similar manner and that would be a great feature. The 16 pads could be used in an arranger in any number of ways such as a combination of traditional multipads and audio pads. Of course, we don't know their plans for arrangers-we can only hope.

There is also a new Jupiter X, the follow up of the Jupiter 80 in some ways..

I am surprised Roland is finally ready to introduce such a premium market workstation again, 11 years after the Fantom G. I‘m happy for Roland that the company hasn‘t abandoned its former, how shall I put it, aspiration, or reputation.
My main question however concerns the acoustic /orchestral sounds:
Have they invested in new sampling sessions? Or are they once again repackaging the existing tones? What about using libraries within the instrument? The overview I watched sounds more like they are suggesting to use libraries on the laptop and just having them controlled from the Fantom...

It's about the sound system too. I've been to most local park performances and have not heard one single piano sound good, live. No one seems to care that they sound tinny through a Fender amp or the likes.....I don't get it.

High end yes indeed. Prices that i’m Assuming would make the 6 close to or over $4k Australian like where they are going but I do feel that pricing is placing it out of reach for most home small gig users

There is a whole new sound engine, Zen-core, it has PCM and Virtuall analogue.. there is also V-piano... no ACB technollogy.. no Super natural.. seems its mostly synth orientated.. not even a drawbar organ.. just some sampled organs..

Right now they stepped in another direction them most arranger players like... more towards synths... less towards emulating different instruments on a workstation..

But they prommised expansions to sound engine and all the other parts in the near future, i expect they will keep patching this till its a true beast.. maybe someone can convince Roland to add some arranger features to it?

Simmilar prices to kronos and montage at release, so no surprise there..
Altough many current Roland FA players find this to expensive..

Anyway, the Genos was/is more expensive

A dealer got this information for me from Roland:

The piano engine is pretty much infinite polyphony and the synth engine has 256 voice polyphony.

61 key model will be $3,299. In regards to the drawbar organ, I’m fairly certain one vid made reference to the sliders doubling as virtual drawbars. Roland is clearly aiming this model to compete with the Montage and Kronos. I’d be very surprised if the bread and butter sounds weren’t good. Roland clearly knows how to produce quality traditional sounds. It seems that Roland is doing what Yammie did with the Montage vids, and that’s showcasing the synth capabilities. The Montage was all about that pulsating doorknob upon release focusing on the synth engine, but we later found the traditional sounds were also quite good. It’s probably going to be the same with the Fantom. Kudos to Roland for including pitch mod wheels and a joystick.

Sqk

I had a different impression: When the Montage was presented, acoustic sounds like the Seattle Strings and other orchestral sounds were highlighted as well. Dom Sigalas had some nice demos about those. I'm skeptical with the Fantom so far...

Dan Fisher did a vid at Sweetwater, and he showed a few acoustic sounds. I thought the few he played sounded good.

Sqk

According to another forum, this is the origin of most Fantom sounds:
-Bank B contains the first 459 patches from the AX-Edge Keytar
-Bank C is the 128 patches from the Integra-7 Synth Legends expansion.
-Bank D contains the 1109 SuperNatural Synth Tones from the Integra-7 / FA synths
-Bank E contains the 896 patches from in the XV-5080.

I can confirm that the tone names in Bank E indeed match the XV-5080 sound list.

The AX Edge Keytar was introduced in 2018; obviously it has quite a number of newly sampled acoustic sounds such as trumpet, trombone and saxophones, also some strings.
(Note that "supernatural Synth" does not involve the SuperNatural Acoustic sounds - those are definitely not part of the Fantom.)

I think I read somewhere that Roland was going to use Roland cloud in their keyboard designs.. Maybe the Fantom has this feature now, using the Roland cloud library as vst's.


A lot of the new concepts remind me of my MediaStation days

So is this machine a workstation or an arranger?

Workstation.

Great find...

We need to add to that that Roland promisses to add more banks to that in the future..with more oscilator models as they call it.. there is still room left in the instrument.

The fantom has full support on board for logic, mainstage and their own cloud instruments... more other daw’s and VST’s will follow in the future..

You can controll these withouth having to use the screen of the mac, leaving your macbook in closed position..

I would even say, a synth workstation..
Currently its mostly aimed at sytnth players..

Sure they added a piano and some dp..

But organs, and other acoustic instrument emulations are severely lacking compared to the Jupiter 90/integra

Well I just checked the price with a store in Melbourne and it’s starts at $5600 au dollars for the 6, so I don’t think they want to sell too many at that price which far exceeds Kronos and Montage. Of course the horse trading some would hope will bring it to a reasonable selling level

Exactly the same prices the kronos and the montage cost at release..
Fun thing how people keep being dissapointed at these prices..
This has been the i troduction price for new workstations for over a decade

I found some interested things about the new Fantom..

They are made in Malaysia, west of Japan (so they didn't gear up in Japan, but pulled out of China).

Demos have been showing off the synth section, but the Fantom is loaded with bread and butter sounds too..
There are the xv5080 sounds in preset E.
The CMA banks is the main tone bank for bread and butter tones..

And the collection of AX tones are spread in all the preset banks..

Now if someone will demo our sounds that we want, besides the perfect V-piano

I also contacted Jos Maas (1manband).. I asked if his program can be used as a pluggin in my DAW.. and be controlled by the Fantom screen..
He said it should.. We also could use his program as a stand alone and should control with the screen of the Fantom.

Maybe Dan will let us know if his V-arranger2 will work with the Fantom..

A suedo Roland Fantom arranger?

You need the "P"

Psuedo

it's a silent "P"
What I don't need is a Fantom

I notice your "thinking" sphere again

I am very sure many pros will be purchasing the new Fantom for sure..

Donny...not the disco ball...

I would say that if you are a home player and the Fantom could be used with V-Arranger or One Man Band and you like the sound editing features then the Fantom might be a solution.