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#476667 - 09/24/19 01:42 PM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: Fran Carango]
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I would need more sound demos to be sure what it‘s about. In the example Fran posted we have two arrangers released about 6 years apart, which is not a long time. As Roland Europe squeezed about 2,000 sounds into the BK-9 and the company was already on its last legs, I‘m not completely sure they didn‘t play tricks with compression here, but the Tyros 4 vs. 5 case is a totally different one again.

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#476683 - 09/25/19 01:36 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: Fran Carango]
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Get some real instruments plus an older and newer keyboard (From the same manufacture) and play the same songs on them and you will find in 99.9% of cases the older model falls well short of the newer model when compared to the real instrument, even though from your memory the older one appeared to sound better.

Bill
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#476688 - 09/25/19 05:13 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Get some real instruments plus an older and newer keyboard (From the same manufacture) and play the same songs on them and you will find in 99.9% of cases the older model falls well short of the newer model when compared to the real instrument, even though from your memory the older one appeared to sound better.

Bill




Bill I am doing this now.. I uploaded the real thing from youtube and I will follow with a version from E-A7 and G70.
There are no effects or mastering on either keyboard, and as close as possible..


https://app.box.com/s/ek9mm6haug2uzkofn99imbqhcdnz9e9k

https://app.box.com/s/f4x2cael8u7rtkqlyiyvl60d4k29zsg1


Edited by Fran Carango (09/25/19 05:21 AM)
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#476689 - 09/25/19 05:21 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: Fran Carango]
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E-A7 will certainly have compressed samples compared to BK-9 and probably G70, consider the price tag.

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#476690 - 09/25/19 06:09 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: Fran Carango]
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YouTube audio is not the best but one thing is clear, both of the audio samples fall well short of the real thing, however I would say that No.2 (MyRec 052) is the closest.

Bill
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#476693 - 09/25/19 06:43 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
YouTube audio is not the best but one thing is clear, both of the audio samples fall well short of the real thing, however I would say that No.2 (MyRec 052) is the closest.

Bill



Bill, what real thing? Sax? Drums? Bass? Rhodes?

BTW: You favored the E-A7 over the G70 smile

The Rhodes on the E-A7 is perfect(hard to beat).
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#476696 - 09/25/19 07:07 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: Fran Carango]
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I thought #2 was better because it reproduced e- piano and string levels more accurately (strings softer in background); slides/glides on sax was smoother and breathe sounds more evident. Very surprised to find out it was the EA7...now give it to me with one screen please....
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#476698 - 09/25/19 07:41 AM Re: Has anyone else ever noticed.... [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally I used acoustic piano, and a mello/breathy sax. After I watched the video, I changed the Piano to Pure Rhodes on E-A7 and Studio EP on the G70.

Sax was changed to the Super Tenor on the E-A7 (was also available on the G70) but thought that the Honky Tenor was more like the video, so used it on the G70.


Maybe because I have both keyboards and play them daily.. I still prefer the G70 for reasons I mentioned..

So glad I own both grin
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