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#477051 - 10/02/19 01:30 AM OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way
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#477053 - 10/02/19 05:23 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Good luck Bill....These Wersi updates really lend themselves to longevity for the player.

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#481797 - 11/25/19 02:53 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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V2.6 now available for download https://www.wersi-hochrhein.com/downloads_1.html

All 4 files are required (Approx. 6GB Total) so you will need at least an 8GB USB Stick

Have fun.

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#481815 - 11/25/19 07:14 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Great news Bill....Wersi just keeps on getting better every time ..

enjoy

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#482227 - 11/27/19 10:47 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Dnj]
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Great news Bill....Wersi just keeps on getting better every time ..

enjoy


There is one thing from wersi..
They only have audio multipads...

No clue why they still haven’t added midi multipads?

But then maybe i am colored by knowing how usefull these multipads can be..
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#482230 - 11/28/19 02:32 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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If the feature was on OAS (Midi Multi-pads were) then OAX will probably get it eventually, however since V2.00 (When Wersi completely ruined OAX) they have slowly been improving via the updates, but still have a long long way to go, so better shopping elsewhere for the time being. (In Europe have a look at Bohm & Bemore )

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#482271 - 11/28/19 12:04 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
If the feature was on OAS (Midi Multi-pads were) then OAX will probably get it eventually, however since V2.00 (When Wersi completely ruined OAX) they have slowly been improving via the updates, but still have a long long way to go, so better shopping elsewhere for the time being. (In Europe have a look at Bohm & Bemore )

Bill


I still dont understand how they ruined oax in v2.00?
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#482273 - 11/28/19 12:10 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Bachus thinking of trying a Wersi product now?..

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#482284 - 11/28/19 02:03 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
Bachus thinking of trying a Wersi product now?..


If i was an organ player...
And money was no issue...
I would probably buy a Bohm with cloudsystem..
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#482285 - 11/28/19 02:36 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By Dnj
Bachus thinking of trying a Wersi product now?..


If i was an organ player...
And money was no issue...
I would probably buy a Bohm with cloudsystem..


Good choice you never know.. wink

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#482313 - 11/29/19 01:54 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
If the feature was on OAS (Midi Multi-pads were) then OAX will probably get it eventually, however since V2.00 (When Wersi completely ruined OAX) they have slowly been improving via the updates, but still have a long long way to go, so better shopping elsewhere for the time being. (In Europe have a look at Bohm & Bemore )

Bill


I still dont understand how they ruined oax in v2.00?


1. V2.00 completely reworked the sounds and while some have improved, the vast majority are far inferior to V1.50. (They really are awful, just have listen to the latest CDs from Claudia Hirschfeld & Robert Bartha, (Available on Spotify, Amazon & Apple) and if they can’t make them sound anything but mediocre, (Just listen their CDs before the V2.00 update) what chance has the customer)
2. there is still no way to store edited drawbar sounds (From the VST Host) so it is no longer possible to make the Sonic sound like any Wersi that has gone before, (If you want Wersi sound and control then your only current option is Bohm)
3. V2.5 added a great new mic section, however very few use it (Just like they did not use it with OAS) as there are much better 3rd party alternatives, (Including VST versions) thus a complete waste of resources.
4. The drum editor (Which everybody was expecting to be like the one added to OAS (You could edit everything and load in new wav samples) is a complete joke, as it offers virtually no editing capabilities.
5. Style conversions are abysmal (You certainly wouldn’t want to use them in a song (Some have been posted on YouTube and they are a complete embarrassment) as they are that bad) and you can get far better results (For free) by converting the Genos styles into T2 format and loading them straight in. (Even without editing they don’t sound too bad)
6. In the noughties Akai samples and STS samples were plentiful, and plenty of owners bought sample discs to add extra sounds for their OAS instruments, unfortunately Akai and STS samples (The only samples that Wersi (OAS & now OAX) could load) are now virtually none existent as everybody has moved on to VSTs. (OAS uses who have upgraded to OAX are happy with the latest update as all the sample discs they bought when they had an OAS instrument can now be used on OAX, thus they are no longer stuck with the awful V2.00 sounds)
7. A simple sound editor was available in OAS in a way shorter time than OAX. (If you look at OAX development, it has been so slow compared to OAS (Which still has way more features than OAX) that it is a complete embarrassment, not helped by Wersi spending resources on things nobody wants)
Wersi are truly (Since V2.00) just a £50 Casio in a posh box with less features.

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#482384 - 11/29/19 12:56 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
If the feature was on OAS (Midi Multi-pads were) then OAX will probably get it eventually, however since V2.00 (When Wersi completely ruined OAX) they have slowly been improving via the updates, but still have a long long way to go, so better shopping elsewhere for the time being. (In Europe have a look at Bohm & Bemore )

Bill



I still dont understand how they ruined oax in v2.00?


1. V2.00 completely reworked the sounds and while some have improved, the vast majority are far inferior to V1.50. (They really are awful, just have listen to the latest CDs from Claudia Hirschfeld & Robert Bartha, (Available on Spotify, Amazon & Apple) and if they can’t make them sound anything but mediocre, (Just listen their CDs before the V2.00 update) what chance has the customer)
2. there is still no way to store edited drawbar sounds (From the VST Host) so it is no longer possible to make the Sonic sound like any Wersi that has gone before, (If you want Wersi sound and control then your only current option is Bohm)
3. V2.5 added a great new mic section, however very few use it (Just like they did not use it with OAS) as there are much better 3rd party alternatives, (Including VST versions) thus a complete waste of resources.
4. The drum editor (Which everybody was expecting to be like the one added to OAS (You could edit everything and load in new wav samples) is a complete joke, as it offers virtually no editing capabilities.
5. Style conversions are abysmal (You certainly wouldn’t want to use them in a song (Some have been posted on YouTube and they are a complete embarrassment) as they are that bad) and you can get far better results (For free) by converting the Genos styles into T2 format and loading them straight in. (Even without editing they don’t sound too bad)
6. In the noughties Akai samples and STS samples were plentiful, and plenty of owners bought sample discs to add extra sounds for their OAS instruments, unfortunately Akai and STS samples (The only samples that Wersi (OAS & now OAX) could load) are now virtually none existent as everybody has moved on to VSTs. (OAS uses who have upgraded to OAX are happy with the latest update as all the sample discs they bought when they had an OAS instrument can now be used on OAX, thus they are no longer stuck with the awful V2.00 sounds)
7. A simple sound editor was available in OAS in a way shorter time than OAX. (If you look at OAX development, it has been so slow compared to OAS (Which still has way more features than OAX) that it is a complete embarrassment, not helped by Wersi spending resources on things nobody wants)
Wersi are truly (Since V2.00) just a £50 Casio in a posh box with less features.

Bill


Ah, i see, and v2.00 is when they moved to their own prpriety sound engine and samples?

As i said, i really like the sempra from Bohm..
But its even more expensive... espescially when you want the added vst support trough the cloud system... and it doesn’t have the same support for yamaha and roland styles the latest oax has..


Edited by Bachus (11/29/19 12:58 PM)
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#482471 - 11/30/19 08:57 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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#482479 - 11/30/19 11:34 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj


Thats the Louvre with OAS not OAX.

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#482480 - 11/30/19 11:36 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Bill I know that confused2 ....
just thought I would show her great playing talents
on a Wersi..

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#482481 - 11/30/19 11:47 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Wersi OAX V2.00 on and Yamaha Genos comparison here

Bill
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#482483 - 11/30/19 12:18 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Wersi OAX V2.00 on and Yamaha Genos comparison here

Bill


Thats a link to the playlist of Leigh Wilbraham (who i happened to meet in person today at the Wersi Netherlands wintershow). But there is no direct comparrison video here...
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#482484 - 11/30/19 12:35 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
Wersi OAX V2.00 on and Yamaha Genos comparison here

Bill


Thats a link to the playlist of Leigh Wilbraham (who i happened to meet in person today at the Wersi Netherlands wintershow). But there is no direct comparrison video here...


Not in the sound for sound scenario, (However as these are pretty much irrelevant due to the EQ etc. is not optimised to get the best out of them) but as Leigh owns (Or has owned them) he will have optimised the settings to get the best out of them, which is a much fairer and realistic comparison.
How did the show go, did you enjoy it?

Bill
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#482518 - 12/01/19 07:49 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By abacus
Originally Posted By Bachus
Originally Posted By abacus
Wersi OAX V2.00 on and Yamaha Genos comparison here

Bill


Thats a link to the playlist of Leigh Wilbraham (who i happened to meet in person today at the Wersi Netherlands wintershow). But there is no direct comparrison video here...


Not in the sound for sound scenario, (However as these are pretty much irrelevant due to the EQ etc. is not optimised to get the best out of them) but as Leigh owns (Or has owned them) he will have optimised the settings to get the best out of them, which is a much fairer and realistic comparison.
How did the show go, did you enjoy it?

Bill


Leigh is a very nice player..

And i did enjoy the show..
There is still many things i like about Wersi..

They had an OAX 600 for sale
But still, a Wersi on sale is very expensive
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#482520 - 12/01/19 07:52 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: abacus]
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I would love to play a Wersi or
even find one or a dealer anywhere around here
to watch a demonstration. They have come a long way.

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#482541 - 12/01/19 11:09 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By Dnj
I would love to play a Wersi or
even find one or a dealer anywhere around here
to watch a demonstration. They have come a long way.


Its as Abacus indicates
Technically they are the most advanced
However musically, it requires a lot of work to make them sound as good as a Genos, or even better.. Its all in the box... altough, vst’s are a sepperate buy..


Where our Genos shines is in the ballance
And specific arranger features..

But its definately worth a testdrive
Sitting behind a Wersi feels like driving Ferrari.
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#482542 - 12/01/19 11:18 AM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Bacchus good points...
although I would love to try or attend a Wersi concert somewhere.
Yes they have some unique capabilities on board also...
but Genos is checking all boxes for my needs.

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#482549 - 12/01/19 12:30 PM Re: OT: Wersi Sonic OAX V2.6 Update on the way [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By Bachus


Its as Abacus indicates
Technically they are the most advanced
However musically, it requires a lot of work to make them sound as good as a Genos, or even better.. Its all in the box... altough, vst’s are a sepperate



Had a friend who imported a Wersi from overseas, no idea what model it was, goes back approximately 15 to 20 years ago. Spent an absolute fortune on it is shipping, import duty , cost of the unit itself.

He had nothing but problems .The technology was way over his head. Basically didn’t really know how to use it. Brilliant keyboard/ organ player, but something he probably shouldn’t have bought. Don’t think he had for too long.

Something I would have enjoyed exploring, but, since it was something I would never own, didn’t see much point in getting involved.
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