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#477610 - 10/10/19 07:41 AM
SX900 vs Genos
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#477618 - 10/10/19 09:04 AM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Dnj]
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Well, it’s obvious that styles are just a data and what is heard is totally up to the voices in the machine, to DSPs, and quality of audio components in general, therefore it would be a surprise to learn that they sound the same on Genos and PSR-SX.
Also, when users pointed out that not all controls are easy to use with a touchscreen it reminded me that Genos comes with sliders, which may make up for it, and PSR doesn’t have any. I’m still curious if it is easy to mute parts on Genos without looking at a screen; obviously, they can be muted with sliders, but it’s not the same.
I can’t help thinking that Yamaha was forced to use touchscreens just because of its popularity on phones and tablets, but not because there was a real need for it. Whereas on a phone it helps to save space, on a keyboard it’s not that obvious.
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#477639 - 10/10/19 10:13 AM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Kabinopus]
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#477684 - 10/10/19 03:01 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Dnj]
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Wow..
You want me to make a longlist? That would be super Bachus thanx.. 76 keys Fsr keybed Aftertouch 6 knobs 9 sliders Bigger screen Better buildquallity (despite being plastick, its build like a tank) More connections More sounds.. Sa2 sounds Ensemble voices Revo drums 3 types of drawbar organs Huge amount of dsp effects No build inpeakers (which to me is a pro) 3GB expansion memmory 3rd party expansions, many more then for psr series Dual audio player Better bigger and more buttons, And probably a few more..
Edited by Bachus (10/10/19 03:02 PM)
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#477699 - 10/10/19 05:13 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Bachus]
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Wow..
You want me to make a longlist? That would be super Bachus thanx.. 76 keys Fsr keybed Aftertouch 6 knobs 9 sliders Bigger screen Better buildquallity (despite being plastick, its build like a tank) More connections More sounds.. Sa2 sounds Ensemble voices Revo drums 3 types of drawbar organs Huge amount of dsp effects No build inpeakers (which to me is a pro) 3GB expansion memmory 3rd party expansions, many more then for psr series Dual audio player Better bigger and more buttons, And probably a few more.. Strange how we have different needs and tastes. 12 of the things you listed have no interest to me and wouldn't make a difference. A few of them, such as the semi-weighted keys, 76 keys, no speakers and SA2 voices are even detrimental to my usage. Knobs, sliders, bigger screen, Yes to them. I've had dual players in my Korgs for 10 years or so and don't recall ever using more than one at a time, and actually very seldom at all. If I were to choose between the 900 and the Genos, it would be a no-brainer for me. Again, we each have different ways we use arrangers. I would seldom use the Ensemble, as great as it sounds. I don't care if there is more than a couple of good B3 organs. The 76 length means I have to change stands, change bags and arrange things differently when I move it. I've never run out of memory on any of my arrangers, even Yamahas. The speakers are not that important either way, but I'd just as soon have them as not. Now, I totally understand why most people would prefer the Genos, just not me. And it costs quite a bit.  My Korg PA4X is ALMOST the perfect arranger for me, but I suppose we'll never have a perfect anything will we?
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#477721 - 10/10/19 11:12 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Bachus]
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I'll rebute: 76 keys - ---- huge chassis - prefer 61 Fsr keybed - ------ At least the sx is catching up. (baby steps) Aftertouch -------- never needed/wanted it 6 knobs ------ 6 buttons 9 sliders - ------ you got me there. Sliders are cool Bigger screen ------- I'm good with 7" (that's what SHE said?) Better buildquallity -------- it BETTER be for the $$$$$$ More connections - ------ cool to have More sounds.. ------- So far never wanted for sounds Sa2 sounds ------- I don't use the SA aspect as much as some Ensemble voices - ----- this is cool Revo drums ------- I hear they're cool, but it's a very subtle upgrade 3 types of drawbar organs ------- I just need a good B, and Farfisa Huge amount of dsp effects - -------Yamaha has always had tons of effects No build inpeakers (which to me is a pro) ------- HUGE downer - speakers are a must for THIS pro 3GB expansion memmory ------- 3 to 1 ain't bad (bad Meatloaf reference) 3rd party expansions, many more then for psr series ------- We'll see Dual audio player ------- I like two, but one is fine Better bigger and more buttons, ------- bigger is NOT better for most of my stages. Bigger, PLUS the extra amps needed .... ------ too much bulk for this guy Just one man's opinion, and why they will most likely sell gazillions more 900s than Genos'.
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#477730 - 10/11/19 01:11 AM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: DonM]
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Strange how we have different needs and tastes. 12 of the things you listed have no interest to me and wouldn't make a difference. A few of them, such as the semi-weighted keys, 76 keys, no speakers and SA2 voices are even detrimental to my usage. Knobs, sliders, bigger screen, Yes to them. I've had dual players in my Korgs for 10 years or so and don't recall ever using more than one at a time, and actually very seldom at all. If I were to choose between the 900 and the Genos, it would be a no-brainer for me. Again, we each have different ways we use arrangers. I would seldom use the Ensemble, as great as it sounds. I don't care if there is more than a couple of good B3 organs. The 76 length means I have to change stands, change bags and arrange things differently when I move it. I've never run out of memory on any of my arrangers, even Yamahas. The speakers are not that important either way, but I'd just as soon have them as not. Now, I totally understand why most people would prefer the Genos, just not me. And it costs quite a bit. My Korg PA4X is ALMOST the perfect arranger for me, but I suppose we'll never have a perfect anything will we? This is a fantastic reply and I couldn't have said it better. If I wanted a Genos I would have one by now, but some of what it offers over the SX900 would be of no use to me much and could even be a determent rather than an advantage (size etc..). This is why the SX900 is a perfect balance because it has a lot of Genos, all the styles that sound exactly the same plus most of the sounds, a lot of the features all in a perfectly sized package at half the price. Remember, bigger isn't always better!
Edited by DannyUK (10/11/19 01:45 AM)
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#477741 - 10/11/19 06:03 AM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Dnj]
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Gunnar
As many years you have been on this forum, I doubt anyone that knows you could be offended.
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#477770 - 10/11/19 01:20 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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I'll rebute: 76 keys - ---- huge chassis - prefer 61 Fsr keybed - ------ At least the sx is catching up. (baby steps) Aftertouch -------- never needed/wanted it 6 knobs ------ 6 buttons 9 sliders - ------ you got me there. Sliders are cool Bigger screen ------- I'm good with 7" (that's what SHE said?) Better buildquallity -------- it BETTER be for the $$$$$$ More connections - ------ cool to have More sounds.. ------- So far never wanted for sounds Sa2 sounds ------- I don't use the SA aspect as much as some Ensemble voices - ----- this is cool Revo drums ------- I hear they're cool, but it's a very subtle upgrade 3 types of drawbar organs ------- I just need a good B, and Farfisa Huge amount of dsp effects - -------Yamaha has always had tons of effects No build inpeakers (which to me is a pro) ------- HUGE downer - speakers are a must for THIS pro 3GB expansion memmory ------- 3 to 1 ain't bad (bad Meatloaf reference) 3rd party expansions, many more then for psr series ------- We'll see Dual audio player ------- I like two, but one is fine Better bigger and more buttons, ------- bigger is NOT better for most of my stages. Bigger, PLUS the extra amps needed .... ------ too much bulk for this guy Just one man's opinion, and why they will most likely sell gazillions more 900s than Genos'. There is only one reason they sell more sx900’s then Genos.. Most people can’t afford, or don’t want to pay Genos money..
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#477844 - 10/12/19 07:03 AM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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I'll rebute: 76 keys - ---- huge chassis - prefer 61. —- its only 2” wider then a Tyros 61 Fsr keybed - ------ At least the sx is catching up. (baby steps)—- still lagging behind Aftertouch -------- never needed/wanted it—. You don’t play synth sounds? — or woodwinds and brass? 6 knobs ------ 6 buttons—- the knobs are great, for real time changes.. so i can keep the sliders assigned to volumes or a drawbar organ. 9 sliders - ------ you got me there. Sliders are cool— they are Bigger screen ------- I'm good with 7" (that's what SHE said?)—- i prefer my 9 “ Better buildquallity -------- it BETTER be for the $$$$$$—— thats what we talking about, why its more expensive? More connections - ------ cool to have— definately trie More sounds.. ------- So far never wanted for sounds—- i do, its the top lof their sounds, that never made it to the psr-s and sx Sa2 sounds ------- I don't use the SA aspect as much as some—- but again they are top of the tops Ensemble voices - ----- this is cool—- and very usefull Revo drums ------- I hear they're cool, but it's a very subtle upgrade—-also the drum edditor is great 3 types of drawbar organs ------- I just need a good B, and Farfisa—. Overhere in europe we use more different types of organs Huge amount of dsp effects - -------Yamaha has always had tons of effects—- being able to chain 4 effects on a single sound is a really pro feature.. No build inpeakers (which to me is a pro) ------- HUGE downer - speakers are a must for THIS pro—- Yes, thats why i use external speakers, they are so much better 3GB expansion memmory ------- 3 to 1 ain't bad (bad Meatloaf reference)...untill you realize that top piano sounds are 1GB in size.. 3rd party expansions, many more then for psr series ------- We'll see Dual audio player ------- I like two, but one is fine Better bigger and more buttons, ------- bigger is NOT better for most of my stages. Bigger, PLUS the extra amps needed .... ------ too much bulk for this guy_———. Ease of use is a thing... Just one man's opinion, and why they will most likely sell gazillions more 900s than Genos'. The difference is huge... thats why the sx-900 in all things is a baby Genos...
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#477936 - 10/13/19 02:48 AM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Dnj]
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I have never seen UD stumped for a come back.lol
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#478008 - 10/13/19 09:05 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Dnj]
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Hi Lee,
hope you get the funds together for a Genos, if not , the SX900 is pretty good.
The sx 900 and Genos share quite a few of the same styles, definitely not all, there again I think sx has a few Genos doesn’t have.
Slowly going balmy , I think, after auditioning 1,000’s of the factory styles and deleting duplicates.Finally seeing a light at the end of the tunnel, thank goodness.
Still I got quite a few out of it.
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#478072 - 10/15/19 01:36 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: leeboy]
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Rikki,
Thanks....I need to go somewhere and test out the sounds so I can see how good they are....I know Genos is superb, If the 900 is close...I will probably get that as it is a lot less $$.
I always consider you the Style Lady....or the Lady with Style as well!
Good luck sorting and organizing...
Lee Hi Lee unfortunately for me, don’t really have the opportunity of doing a test on a Genos without a 6 to 7 hr drive. Then as you mentioned also there’s a lot of difference in price. For me Genos was nearly 2 1/2 times the price. I get a really good price thru my regular dealer, they don’t handle the Genos. After being so involved in korgs for the last 10 years, it’s a big change to swap back to Yamaha. Sooner do my brand change test on the sx than a Genos. So far it’s been great sorting thru the older styles. Didn’t want to miss out on the ones that will be useful. Piano ballads, and styles from the movie/show catergory, there’s a number of them in the sx, but quite a few were dropped over the years. The onboard Styles for the old 50s/60s numbers are great with the doowop type voices in the background. Kind of inspiring, have to check back thru my old song albums to see what tunes I have that I can play with these styles. Either way, which ever one you decide to get , pretty sure it should suit you in regards to the style of music you like to play. I think we had similar tastes.
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#478276 - 10/17/19 12:34 PM
Re: SX900 vs Genos comparison..
[Re: Dnj]
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Hi Lee,
can only compare keybed to my ex psrs 950, it is better. Has a better feel and not as clunky.
I’ll try and check out some voices for you.
I did download a Symphonic Yem pak yesterday, haven’t tried it yet, not even sure what’s on it, but it was free from Yamaha Website. It may only be styles, not sure.
Details from site
Created for supporting educational programs for digital keyboards in music schools and arts schools, the Russian Educational Style Pack includes various styles based on symphonic music. You can classical works by Bach, Mozart, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov, Glinka and other famous composers. You can get unique symphonic waltzes and marches, baroque music and historic dances (polka, minuet, polonaise and other) as Styles. In addition, this Expansion pack contains Styles for electronic music, the arrangement from digital keyboards class in music schools.
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Korg PA5X 88 note
SX900
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