Watching many of these YT Sx900 videos all I could hear was my 30 year old casio arranger....I hope this isn't the norm and with EQ/Comp the overall sound can be adjusted accordingly like previous S models.
#478101 - 10/16/1906:42 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Gunnar Jonny
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"...all I could hear was my 30 year old casio arranger"
Maybe it's the player and not because of the keyboard?
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I am just being honest after listening & watching THIS video.... I've had enough S models to know I can dig into the EQ/comp settings and make it sound the way I need to, ..... I never use any kb with OOTB factory settings... I knew this would ruffle some feathers but it can also be a wake-up call and eye opener too. You have to dig into the OS and create the sound YOU need. I would like to hear what other SX900 users have done to improve the OOTB sound?
#478118 - 10/16/1908:04 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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travlin'easy
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Keep in mind that 35 years ago, arranger keyboards were in their infancy and Casio pretty much had the market cornered. While their individual sounds/voices were just awful, their style files were pretty darned good. It only took a year or two before Yamaha, Korg and Roland jumped into the market and Casio rapidly took a back seat to more realistic sounding sounds/voices produced by other manufacturers. To my knowledge, Yamaha is the only manufacturer that also produces other instruments, and seems to have cornered a lot of those markets.
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#478119 - 10/16/1908:32 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Kabinopus
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I think the reason why you hear resemblance between this video and old Casio’s is that this particular style of music does involve similar short patterns of a rhythm, simple fills, monophonic lead voice and funny attitude. I had Casio MA-120 and that keyboard was indeed good for this way of playing. But it is just a specific kind of music. It is in fact well played and voices are just fine, including drums.
But I must say that when it comes to demos I am myself very influenced by the music itself, so in case when I don’t like some playing or some tune I may subconsciously decide that I just don’t like the sound - well, music is an influential thing, otherwise what would be a point of it.
Donny??????? It’s sad how us older guys lose the ability to hear, some earlier than others.
(SMILE) John C.
John my hearing is excellent,.....except for the Martin Marris studio produced Sx900 demos and a few other top stores, etc, most others fall short sound wise, but there are many reasons for that... I hope to hear some good things once the Sx900 arrives in the states and SZers can review honestly what they think...take care
#478139 - 10/16/1912:14 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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And the beat goes on, the beat goes on Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain La de da de de, la de da de da And the beat goes on and on and on..............
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It's not that you change your mind ... it's HOW you do it. You start with a zillion videos, then tell everyone how this is the BEST thing FOR YOU ever. You sing the praises like it's the end-all instrument ... till you get bored. If you ask me, you're lousy at retirement. You have too much time to think. No one cares if you buy, trade and sell all your gear. It's how you cry wolf every single time. Just relax, my friend ... you don't have to sty up on the latest thing anymore. Your crowds were never disappointed with whatever you brought on stage. Now that you're playing at home ... just enjoy the plethora of sounds available on the PC, and trigger them with any old thing that you like ... just don't try to sell us all on how much you love it. We don't believe you.
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#478242 - 10/17/1906:35 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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W Tracy Parnell
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
It's not that you change your mind ... it's HOW you do it. You start with a zillion videos, then tell everyone how this is the BEST thing FOR YOU ever. You sing the praises like it's the end-all instrument ... till you get bored. If you ask me, you're lousy at retirement. You have too much time to think. No one cares if you buy, trade and sell all your gear. It's how you cry wolf every single time. Just relax, my friend ... you don't have to sty up on the latest thing anymore. Your crowds were never disappointed with whatever you brought on stage. Now that you're playing at home ... just enjoy the plethora of sounds available on the PC, and trigger them with any old thing that you like ... just don't try to sell us all on how much you love it. We don't believe you.
It's not that you change your mind ... it's HOW you do it. You start with a zillion videos, then tell everyone how this is the BEST thing FOR YOU ever. You sing the praises like it's the end-all instrument ... till you get bored. If you ask me, you're lousy at retirement. You have too much time to think. No one cares if you buy, trade and sell all your gear. It's how you cry wolf every single time. Just relax, my friend ... you don't have to sty up on the latest thing anymore. Your crowds were never disappointed with whatever you brought on stage. Now that you're playing at home ... just enjoy the plethora of sounds available on the PC, and trigger them with any old thing that you like ... just don't try to sell us all on how much you love it. We don't believe you.
I was very hurt reading this post Dave especially from YOU... lately you have been only negative to anything I post just like a few others which I won't mention but know exactly who THEY are. That said I think a long awaited back out from SZ is what I really need. If anyone needs help just message me. My time is done here, I'll leave you with this..... I wish you all well and good luck in your musical journeys.
#478269 - 10/17/1908:42 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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There are times when you will only hear the (sometimes painful) truth from someone who actually CARES for you and is genuinely concerned for your well-being. Enablers are not always your friend. A friend is someone who, upon seeing a pattern of potentially destructive behavior, cares enough to risk a fracture in the relationship and speak up. I think Dave's observations and attempt at intervention is on point and, given the history between the two of you, well-intentioned. If you think he's off-base, then fine, thank him for his concern and move on. Sharing his feelings honestly doesn't make him less of a friend. JMO. AND, if all you want IS that 'perfect' keyboard, let me know when you find it; I'll buy one too . Wishing you only the best.
chas
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#478275 - 10/17/1911:08 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Eric, B
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Originally Posted By cgiles
There are times when you will only hear the (sometimes painful) truth from someone who actually CARES for you and is genuinely concerned for your well-being. Enablers are not always your friend. A friend is someone who, upon seeing a pattern of potentially destructive behavior, cares enough to risk a fracture in the relationship and speak up. I think Dave's observations and attempt at intervention is on point and, given the history between the two of you, well-intentioned. If you think he's off-base, then fine, thank him for his concern and move on. Sharing his feelings honestly doesn't make him less of a friend. JMO. AND, if all you want IS that 'perfect' keyboard, let me know when you find it; I'll buy one too . Wishing you only the best.
chas
PS: Embrace retirement; it ain't that bad once you find something to do (or learn to enjoy doing nothing) .
#478278 - 10/17/1911:37 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Bernie9
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Come on Donny. You have too many friends to bail out. Sometimes, well intended razzing is taken too seriously, or given without thought of a personal affront. You have known us for over twenty years, in some cases.
You are one of my best forum buddies and I don't want you to leave.
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Originally Posted By cgiles
There are times when you will only hear the (sometimes painful) truth from someone who actually CARES for you and is genuinely concerned for your well-being. Enablers are not always your friend. A friend is someone who, upon seeing a pattern of potentially destructive behavior, cares enough to risk a fracture in the relationship and speak up. I think Dave's observations and attempt at intervention is on point and, given the history between the two of you, well-intentioned. If you think he's off-base, then fine, thank him for his concern and move on. Sharing his feelings honestly doesn't make him less of a friend. JMO. AND, if all you want IS that 'perfect' keyboard, let me know when you find it; I'll buy one too . Wishing you only the best.
chas
PS: Embrace retirement; it ain't that bad once you find something to do (or learn to enjoy doing nothing) .
YUP. What Chas said. And, he said it beautifully.
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#478290 - 10/17/1901:08 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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tony mads usa
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Donny, maybe a break IS what you need ... Get your new KB - whatever it may be - and then come back and show us how great it sounds ... Not "Good bye" but "I'll see you later" ...
Changing a routine (retirement in this case) is difficult. I keep playing because the consecutive days at home become awful lonely.
Donny, at least play a few times a month and enjoy your different keyboards (who cares what it is). You are a master singer and player and the folks deserve to hear you (even if you're in a funk).
p.s. You helped me in to this business, always grateful for.
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and Gary...you were just as instrumental in helping me along. We tend to forget the good people and dwell on the ones that are dissing us...(they are out there!) A shame - jealousy.
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I apologize to almost all of the members but at this time certain people have led me into a dark place regarding my postings "Et tu, Brute". I have limited my interactions to mostly PM replies partially for now, and even in some instances they have gotten lost in the mix somehow after writing lengthy messages also which I cannot retrieve or remember most of what I wrote to them. That said the hurtfulness of those posts a few days from people I thought were friends has also dampened my enthusiasm leaving a bad taste in my mouth of receiving the New Sx900 tomorrow also. I simply am disheartened and need time to reconsider my thoughts. Friendship means a lot to me and when it is broken it digs deep. For now good luck and much excitement to ALL who receive the SX900/SX700 this week as they have shipped nationwide now. I expect to see many many demo videos about it and an assortment of pros & cons from new owners. I really do appreciate all the PM exchanges it is very humbling to speak with so many people worldwide. Maybe in time I will feel differently, but for now I will lurk behind the curtains. Your Yamaha SX900 Christmas morning starts tomorrow, open your boxes and enjoy your musical presents.
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Originally Posted By Dnj
"Et tu, Brute".
Well, I'm pretty sure that one's aimed at me. I posted a lengthy apology/retraction a few days ago, but it's lost somewhere in cyberspace. maybe I never saved it, or maybe it was taken down, but I'm almost certain I posted it. Here's the readers digest version:
Donny, I never meant to hurt your feelings. Truly. We razz, and we tease all the time, and if I took it too far ... I'm sorry. My remarks about your posting "style" are all observations that many agree with. Other than my few pet peeves about using correct english, when it's your native tongue, my only (teeny-tiny) issue with your posts is how often you cry wolf about gear. It's not the fact that you buy/sell.trade so often ... I'm certainly guilty of that. It's the WAY you ramble on, and on about the features, and how right it is FOR YOUR NEEDS etc. You bring alot of the heat on yourself, but posting amazing accolades for days, then dumping it, citing how it doesn't measure up ... just makes your reviews seem a bit like white noise. I mean, c'mon - THREE PA4Xs? Who needs three units to decide if it's a good fit? You erase posts, and modify comments as soon as the temperature rises a tad. We all have our opinions, and I admit, mine may not always be in the majority, but one thing is certain: I MEAN NO HARM. I have no ill will, and if I ruffled your feathers too much - again, I'm sorry. You're my boy, and you always will be, but I'm trying to look out for you, and help you to not embarrass yourself with this flip-flop mentality.
This may not sound like much of an apology, but my heart is in it. We're mostly all guilty of teasing at one time, or another, and believe me - I'm not trying to be hurtful. I will be more careful with my words in the future, and I hope you forgive me. My SX will be here before lunch tomorrow, and I hope to post some reactions before I have to go to work.
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Well, I'm pretty sure that one's aimed at me. I posted a lengthy apology/retraction a few days ago, but it's lost somewhere in cyberspace. maybe I never saved it, or maybe it was taken down, but I'm almost certain I posted it. Here's the readers digest version:
Donny, I never meant to hurt your feelings. Truly. We razz, and we tease all the time, and if I took it too far ... I'm sorry. My remarks about your posting "style" are all observations that many agree with. Other than my few pet peeves about using correct english, when it's your native tongue, my only (teeny-tiny) issue with your posts is how often you cry wolf about gear. It's not the fact that you buy/sell.trade so often ... I'm certainly guilty of that. It's the WAY you ramble on, and on about the features, and how right it is FOR YOUR NEEDS etc. You bring alot of the heat on yourself, but posting amazing accolades for days, then dumping it, citing how it doesn't measure up ... just makes your reviews seem a bit like white noise. I mean, c'mon - THREE PA4Xs? Who needs three units to decide if it's a good fit? You erase posts, and modify comments as soon as the temperature rises a tad. We all have our opinions, and I admit, mine may not always be in the majority, but one thing is certain: I MEAN NO HARM. I have no ill will, and if I ruffled your feathers too much - again, I'm sorry. You're my boy, and you always will be, but I'm trying to look out for you, and help you to not embarrass yourself with this flip-flop mentality.This may not sound like much of an apology, but my heart is in it. We're mostly all guilty of teasing at one time, or another, and believe me - I'm not trying to be hurtful. I will be more careful with my words in the future, and I hope you forgive me. My SX will be here before lunch tomorrow, and I hope to post some reactions before I have to go to work.
Dave, let me start with I am willing to make amends to whatever you meant with this post apology or whatever. Yes the "et tu brute" was aimed at you as the negativity knife coming from especially you multiple times in the past stung deep and hard. Also it wasn't just you but a few others who I will not mention and start more friction between members. I'm me & you are you, and we are very different but we are much the same also even tough you spell better then me just sayin'. Life is too short to bicker we have too many years together, too many breakfasts, lunches & dinners, etc, even late wee hours in your garage learning a new Arranger KB to get ready for jobs the next day. Many late nights in some secluded dark parking lot exchanging keyboards and gear at ungodly hours, filling in for each other on stage, too. But for now let tomorrow be the turning of a new page as we both and many others here on SZ receive the Yamaha SX900 to explore, play, discuss and hopefully enjoy. I feel better getting this all off my chest. So I guess yes I'm back. Group Hug everyone...
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Originally Posted By Dnj
So I guess yes I'm back. Group Hug everyone...
Donny, I'm relieved that you've chosen to come back. Personally...I don't care if you buy a million PA4X's or a million SX900's. I've always learned from your experiences and we need you posting, as you're a valuable resource to everyone. The fact that your willing to share your foibles with arranger keyboards...only shows you got guts to share your likes and dislikes. Keep on posting buddy...good or bad. Mitch
#478517 - 10/22/1903:46 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Mikem
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We're ALL Italian, Tony!
Donny, I'm glad to see you back here. It's really sad when long-time friends call it quits. I know, because I've lost quite a few (though none of it was my fault! )
Donny, I'm relieved that you've chosen to come back. Personally...I don't care if you buy a million PA4X's or a million SX900's. I've always learned from your experiences and we need you posting, as you're a valuable resource to everyone. The fact that your willing to share your foibles with arranger keyboards...only shows you got guts to share your likes and dislikes. Keep on posting buddy...good or bad. Mitch
#478519 - 10/22/1903:52 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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#478523 - 10/22/1904:40 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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W Tracy Parnell
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Originally Posted By leeboy
Dave, I look forward to your review and demo's, Lee
Same here. Uncle Dave, Don Mason and Diki are the ones I am most interested in hearing from because they are pros who use the keyboard to make a living. So they are not going to change unless it will really help them do the job.
#478532 - 10/22/1906:15 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Yes it's great to have you back. Even if you're an EAGLES fan. Looks like Eagles had a good idea of what the deal was on Andy Reed. Seems like my Chiefs are learning about his reliance on certain star players in key roles. It's a lot easier beating the Redskins than the Patriots.
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#478554 - 10/22/1908:39 PMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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tony mads usa
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Originally Posted By Uncle Dave
Originally Posted By tony mads usa
(I do believe UD is Italian on his mom's side) ...
That'a right - my house is Gaelic & Garlic! (Dad's an Irishman!)
Our Pastor runs a "Garlic and Garlic" night in March to celebrate St. Patrick's and St.Joseph's days - corned beef and cabbage, green beer and Irish soda bread, and pasta and meatballs,Chianti wine, cannolis and espresso ...
#478569 - 10/23/1902:43 AMRe: Sx900 sounds like a Casio?
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Bernie9
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Donny, You bring much to this forum, and for me, I hope you don't change a thing. Whether you run hot and cold is just a result of your trying to get the perfect board for YOUR NEEDS. The results for me is a lot of good information. BTW, you are still king at finding pertinent links.
Donny, You bring much to this forum, and for me, I hope you don't change a thing. Whether you run hot and cold is just a result of your trying to get the perfect board for YOUR NEEDS. The results for me is a lot of good information. BTW, you are still king at finding pertinent links.
Happy to see you back. Bernie
Thank you Bernie,.... this time around with the SX900 arriving today I will not be touting pros/cons right away but instead give it some time playing before I assess the features with MY needs in mind.
"...all I could hear was my 30 year old casio arranger"
(I do believe UD is Italian on his mom's side) ...
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