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#479683 - 11/04/19 04:56 PM
SX900 Final Decision
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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I gave it another chance. It does a lot of things right, but I few things I don't like as well as on the other arrangers I have. First, The sounds are fantastic; love those Pedal Steel Guitars... The on board speakers are excellent, but I rarely use them. The vocal processor is really good. The Vocal Harmonizer sounds good enough for my use. It has lots of new styles and sounds Love the oohs and aahhs. Love the keys. Love the intros and endings and fills and breaks, and multipad content. But here's why I'm not keeping it: I have gotten spoiled to being able to have dedicated buttons and sliders for virtually every function I use. Everything is easier for me on both the Korg and Roland. I could spend a couple of weeks setting everything up and I'd most likely be happy, but I don't want to do that right now. It's the LITTLE things, such as printing at the top of the keyboard where the connections are located...having an indicator light to show whether the vocal harmonizer is engaged... a Leslie emulation that works with preset voices...dedicated sliders to adjust style and lead part volumes on the fly...more foot switch connections...location of the USB ports...no XLR mic input...no phantom power...having to go into a menu to adjust the key on audio files, using the transpose button doesn't work there. Most of these features are on the Korg PA4x, which I admit is twice as much money, so should be better. However the keys on the Korg are heavier than I like, as is the keyboard itself, so I was looking to replace it. The EA7 is really good, but no text display, no vocal harmonizer, no real break/fills. So for now I'll play the Korg at my regular job and have the EA7 for any extra jobs or when I need to move my "stuff". It's great that there are no bad choices, only what works best for the individual!
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#479687 - 11/04/19 05:02 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Once again thank you for telling us your likes and dislikes. If and when I upgrade I will be considering all of the info you have provided. Right now I'm leaning toward the EA7. Doesn't really matter as I have no $ saved up to buy anything right now anyway. I'll just keep on working on my 3000.
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#479704 - 11/04/19 07:16 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Tomorrow afternoon, I get to try out the PSR SX-900. YES! My longtime friend, Helmut Licht, purchased one from Frank and is bringing it to me for an evaluation. I expect to spend at least 3 hours with the board, putting it through it's paces and having lots of fun. When I'm done, I will post my evaluation of the SX-900 and let you know what I discover - good or bad. All the best, Gary
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#479751 - 11/05/19 11:50 AM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/01/99
Posts: 12800
Loc: Penn Yan, NY
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So for now I'll play the Korg at my regular job and have the EA7 for any extra jobs or when I need to move my "stuff".
Don, Since you (like me) don't move your gear during the week, why not get a light action controller, and modify your stand to tuck it under the PA4X, so all the controls are easy to reach, and the keys feel easier to your fingers. That also gives you a second, and/or third zone to access live for a different solo voice on the fly. I don't "need" a second kb, but sometimes, it'd be nice to have an accent sound all ready to grab (like organs, for me)
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#479757 - 11/05/19 01:37 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Well, I just finished up with the SX-900. And, contrary to popular belief, it's not a keyboard that I would want to use as an onstage performer. I found the changes in the OS were cumbersome, way too many menus to go through in order to get to the next song, and while I had no problem seeing or using the touch screen, I had to use my little finger in order not to hit something I did now wish to select. The overall sounds were just awesome - some of the best I think I've ever heard. The grand piano was stunning, as were 99 percent of the saxes and strings. I loaded some of the Genos styles into the SX-900 and they sounded excellent. I did not have time to mess with the vocal sounds, Ooohs and Ahhhs, but I did plug in a mic and after a bit of tuning, the vocal harmony sounded as good, IMO, as my TC Helicon Harmony-M. The song list, to me, was nothing short of a major headache. I much preferred the Music Finder Directory, which was somewhat limiting for some players, but for me, it worked great for a whole lot of years. When my friend Helmut left, has was astonished at all the things we managed to accomplish during our short time at the board, but I was still scratching my head, especially with the midi player. For example, if I found a song that had embedded lyrics, after starting the song, I could not access the lyrics page unless I went through the main menu and selected lyrics. Two extra button pushes that added to dead time between songs. So, for me, if I were still able to work, I would stick with my S-950. I sincerely think that ALL arranger keyboard manufacturers should have people on their staff that performs the same program evaluation that every major computer programmer utilizes before they release their software. It would not cost them much to have these individuals on call and probably save the manufacturers a lot of grief in the long run. Gary
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K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#479760 - 11/05/19 02:03 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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Well, I just finished up with the SX-900. And, contrary to popular belief, it's not a keyboard that I would want to use as an onstage performer. I found the changes in the OS were cumbersome, way too many menus to go through in order to get to the next song, and while I had no problem seeing or using the touch screen, I had to use my little finger in order not to hit something I did now wish to select. The overall sounds were just awesome - some of the best I think I've ever heard. The grand piano was stunning, as were 99 percent of the saxes and strings. I loaded some of the Genos styles into the SX-900 and they sounded excellent. I did not have time to mess with the vocal sounds, Ooohs and Ahhhs, but I did plug in a mic and after a bit of tuning, the vocal harmony sounded as good, IMO, as my TC Helicon Harmony-M. The song list, to me, was nothing short of a major headache. I much preferred the Music Finder Directory, which was somewhat limiting for some players, but for me, it worked great for a whole lot of years. When my friend Helmut left, has was astonished at all the things we managed to accomplish during our short time at the board, but I was still scratching my head, especially with the midi player. For example, if I found a song that had embedded lyrics, after starting the song, I could not access the lyrics page unless I went through the main menu and selected lyrics. Two extra button pushes that added to dead time between songs. So, for me, if I were still able to work, I would stick with my S-950. I sincerely think that ALL arranger keyboard manufacturers should have people on their staff that performs the same program evaluation that every major computer programmer utilizes before they release their software. It would not cost them much to have these individuals on call and probably save the manufacturers a lot of grief in the long run. Gary Gary so now you understand what I was talking about from day one, navigation.. navigation.. navigation..... At least you tried one as I did and Don M... I am glad this chapter is all over so I can continue..
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#479771 - 11/05/19 03:00 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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I hear you guys on navigation. But just wondering if, after you set everything up w/the Playlist, wouldn't navigation become less of an issue? I am wondering if the Playlist wouldn't allow you to recall the text displays for a MIDI file associated with a Playlist entry? Haven't even looked into the "Assignable" buttons yet but they may be a great help to eliminate button pushes too, once the settings are made.
Just took delivery of the SX900 and so far I am a very happy (Yamaha) camper. Will hold tight to my PA4X but this little guy is worth a spot on my keyboard rack for certain.
At this point I am not planning to gig much w/the keyboard, but when I do, my plan would be to have all my repertoire in the Playlist and then just call tunes up in the order I please, in which case the keys, tempos, volumes, muted instruments, multipads, and everything else are preset. If I were a singer, wouldn't the lyrics display appear as well when you call the preset? You Genos owners out there have the answer?
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PA4X, SX900 (Baby Genos), Roland U-20, L1 Compact, Way 2 Many Saxes
"My computer beats me routinely at chess - but it's NO MATCH for me at kick boxing!"
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#479780 - 11/05/19 03:32 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: saxxman]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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I hear you guys on navigation. But just wondering if, after you set everything up w/the Playlist, wouldn't navigation become less of an issue? I am wondering if the Playlist wouldn't allow you to recall the text displays for a MIDI file associated with a Playlist entry? Haven't even looked into the "Assignable" buttons yet but they may be a great help to eliminate button pushes too, once the settings are made.
Hi Randy, haven’t spent a heap of time on Play list , but I’d be guided by what Stephen has to say, the Genos and Sx appear to incredibly similar as far as the registrations and playlists go. The registrations are great, ie as little or as much info as you want to save to them, the Playlist is an extension of them. Personally I think I am going to save one registration bank per song, that way if I’m looking for a song in the playlist, it’s going to be all set up. On Korg I used to create duplicate styles, set it up for a particular song, then name the style after the song. I think setting up registrations for songs on sx is going to be a better way to go.
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Korg PA5X 88 note SX900 Band in a Box 2022
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#479782 - 11/05/19 03:44 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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So for now I'll play the Korg at my regular job and have the EA7 for any extra jobs or when I need to move my "stuff".
Don, Since you (like me) don't move your gear during the week, why not get a light action controller, and modify your stand to tuck it under the PA4X, so all the controls are easy to reach, and the keys feel easier to your fingers. That also gives you a second, and/or third zone to access live for a different solo voice on the fly. I don't "need" a second kb, but sometimes, it'd be nice to have an accent sound all ready to grab (like organs, for me) I have thought of that before, but I will rethink. Thanks1
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#479786 - 11/05/19 04:24 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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+1 Steve. With my previous PSRs I had songs in registrations and they were labelled as "Cocktail 1, 2, etc". I carried a notebook listing the registrations and their contents. As I see the OS change, someone at Yamaha thought the changes were for the better. As I have faced Microsoft's decisions on OS changes, I will plug along and learn as I go. So far, I am very happy!
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PA4X, SX900 (Baby Genos), Roland U-20, L1 Compact, Way 2 Many Saxes
"My computer beats me routinely at chess - but it's NO MATCH for me at kick boxing!"
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#479790 - 11/05/19 04:51 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: Stephenm52]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Once again just my opinion but if you have used registrations successfully on any PSR or Yamaha arranger for gigs, the Playlist feature brings it up quite a few notches. I liked Music Finder and have used it for live play at gigs but as Randy has mentioned it did lack some flexibility.
Sorry to have to say if anyone thinks Playlist can’t hold a candle to Kong’s Songbook they have not mastered the use of Playlists on the SX900. As I’ve already mentioned there is a learning curve. What I like about Playlist is my registrations can call up the corresponding lead sheet/ lyrics on my iPad Pro and vice versa. I also like Songbook on my Pa4x that it can call up leadsheets/lyrics on my Android tablet. Both Songbook and Playlist do the job equally well in my eyes. As someone who basically has both ( ie Genos , same/similar? function to sx) and PA4x, Stephen should know, since he uses both. Btw, Stephen, I downloaded that songbook + app, haven’t bought full version yet, bit of a learning curve, but how does it work in conjunction with the sx/ Genos, if I remember correctly you said something about registrations? maybe being able to bring up the songs? or am I off on a flight of fantasy. Haha
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Korg PA5X 88 note SX900 Band in a Box 2022
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#479801 - 11/05/19 08:27 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Actually, the MFD was nothing more than a scaled down registration that saved style, tempo, intro, and initial variation. Now, because I also used this in combination with registrations, and had a setup registration that locked my mic setting and pedal settings into place on startup, I really didn't have to worry about having a book of registrations to know what was in them. After a few months of continual performances, I knew them all by heart. Now, I realize that you can assign lots of functions to the buttons at the bottom of the screen, including lyrics, which take more than a single button push to access from the player. However, on my ancient PSR-S950 there is a button that clearly says lyrics. One push and there they are. Wow! Also, there was no indicator light for the vocal harmony on/off. Cmon, how easy would this be to add to such an advanced keyboard. Lots and lots of menus, sub menus and way too much time spent navigating and less time performing. Now, I absolutely loved the right hand voices (sounds), the styles were great, the drums really rocked - no question about this aspect. As for the keyfeel, I really didn't notice any difference, but I was looking as this feature. Good luck, guys and gals, Gary
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K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#479830 - 11/06/19 08:59 AM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: saxxman]
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Registered: 04/13/05
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Loc: USA
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#479834 - 11/06/19 09:12 AM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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For my needs, the difference is - when playing at home I am investing the time and effort required to discover the styles and sounds that allow me to actually enjoy playing the tunes I am working on (and hopefully which do them justice musically). Once I find the settings (styles, tempos, pads, mixes) that I am happy with, these settings will be saved. In contrast, when I take the keyboard to a gig, all I expect to have to do is press a button to select each song I want and start playing it (with everything recalled to the way I worked it up at home). That's all I ask of the keyboard and the rest as always will be up to me.
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PA4X, SX900 (Baby Genos), Roland U-20, L1 Compact, Way 2 Many Saxes
"My computer beats me routinely at chess - but it's NO MATCH for me at kick boxing!"
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#479877 - 11/06/19 01:54 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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+1 Tony! Yep - Of course, I have the PSR Tutorial "10,000 Songs" USB drive and I already know a ton of the oldies. A simple 20-30 seconds and you can have a style loaded. Or for many songs, you can just select a style that is appropriate and cover it.
For requests I don't feel I'm ready to try, I always say "If you come back the next time I am here, I will have the song ready just for you". Have done that with several customers and some of the folks now come every time I am there just for "their song". Got a few nice tips out of the effort too!
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PA4X, SX900 (Baby Genos), Roland U-20, L1 Compact, Way 2 Many Saxes
"My computer beats me routinely at chess - but it's NO MATCH for me at kick boxing!"
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#480000 - 11/07/19 11:16 AM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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[quote=travlin'easy] When my friend Helmut left... I was still scratching my head, especially with the midi player. For example, if I found a song that had embedded lyrics, after starting the song, I could not access the lyrics page unless I went through the main menu and selected lyrics. Two extra button pushes that added to dead time between songs. Gary For any who may still have an interest in this discussion, I checked out Gary's concern and the Assignable buttons make viewing the lyric and other displays or functions easy. Using the Assignable buttons, I was able to quickly display the score and lyrics just by pushing a single Assignable button. Also you can immediately jump between the displays, including displaying the VH status over whichever display is up. SX900 Assignable Button Demo PS - if the link doesn't work, jump to the next couple posts and I have the YOUTUBE link there... Hope this helps others who may be wondering about the utility of these buttons.
Edited by saxxman (11/07/19 12:05 PM)
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PA4X, SX900 (Baby Genos), Roland U-20, L1 Compact, Way 2 Many Saxes
"My computer beats me routinely at chess - but it's NO MATCH for me at kick boxing!"
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#480030 - 11/07/19 01:35 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Randy, I knew there was a workaround using the assignment buttons, but I didn't get that far in the short time I had to work with the keyboard. My friend, Helmut, called me this morning and said I should buy the SX-900 so I could post lessons on the PSR-Tutorial and Synthzone on how to use all the features. I turned him down - just one more thing for the kids to sell after my untimely demise. Gary
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PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff!
K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#480092 - 11/07/19 07:25 PM
Re: SX900 Final Decision
[Re: DonM]
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Registered: 10/15/05
Posts: 1433
Loc: Niceville, FL USA
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Yes you can assign On/Off to the buttons, but it still doesn't tell you if it is on or off unless you push the button...does it? I assign the on/off to a foot switch, but you have to remember when it is on. Don - the popup displays the status (for instance, VH) each time you push the button. If desired, there is a popup persistence setting in the Utility menu which allows you to set the popup to "HOLD". When you do this, the status (in this case, VH) remains displayed until you press an adjacent button. Pressing the same button just toggles (in this case) VH on and off. But the display will persist until you press another button.
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PA4X, SX900 (Baby Genos), Roland U-20, L1 Compact, Way 2 Many Saxes
"My computer beats me routinely at chess - but it's NO MATCH for me at kick boxing!"
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