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Sounds like you guys have a little preliminary info on Roland NAMM 2020...any hints?

Shipping weight 12 pounds.

Shipping weight 33 pounds.


Only rumors !!

Fran, Sounds like Roland is getting into the fitness business

Maybe it sounds like an E-A7m and a E-A9.

I like the sound of that better.

Actually its the other way around...
The Jupiter is the super natural instrument
The integra inherrited some of that DNA, and much more..

But the Jupiter 80’s engine has more depth in :
Live sets..
Harmony
Arpeggiator
Effects..

The limitation of the integra for live use is its limitation of only 64 studio sets..
Jupiter has 512 full registrations.. and 2500 live sets.. a studio set replaces both of these
You can compare the integra more with a racked version of a Fantom G(sound part)

The strength of the Jupiter 80 is the layers and splits, which are incredible flexible
The jupiter 80 is the ultimate live instrument.. and Rolands founders dream come true
However due to its totally new format it was hugely misunderstood by most
But Yamaha and the montage went partly the same road..
People addapted over time... and where the Jupiter wasnt popular at release.
Its now more popular then ever in the live scene

A super natural synth sound can also contain 3 pcm partials..
So the pcm part is there in the jupiter 80

Imagine the Jupiter 80 as an arranger witouth styles..
You have 4 voices, that can be layered and split..
2 of those voices are live sets, concisting of 4 sounds
1 voice is manuall percussion/manual bass
1 voice is the solo voice (top right)
The engine treats all of these voices different..
Even the left and right parts.. as the left part for example has chord detection
Where the right part has the harmonies based on them as we know from the arrangers

The sounds are all super natural..
Super natural is an engine that combines sampling with physical modulation and behaviour moddeling
Where some people indicate that it has no pcm samples, they are wrong..
Most of the samples of the integra pcm engine are also in the jupiter, and being used in the super natural engine..

So the livesets are what makes this instrument so special..
Because with a single button press you can change livesets on the fly
Or change entire registrations..
The jupiter is designed as a tool to make music

Your fantom G is designed as kind of a daw with a keyboard attached..
Actually the only thing missing on the jupiter 80 from an arranger players point of view is arranger styles and multipads..

I will check later tonight if i can find a video that explains the jupiter 80

Its a typical Roland product, all great Roland products have abandoned the past, and stepped on new roads... in the past, it often made me kind of sad... like the new `fantom abandoning hte super natural sounds as well as the ACB technollogie

Just read my post above, where i try to explain what sets the Jupiter 80 apart from the rest..

Bachus I believe the Integra7 was on the design table first, even if the Jupiters hit the streets first..

Even though as you said the Integra7 has 64 studio sets at a time, you can load directly from the flash memory as many as you need.

The Integra7 is designed to use with a computer, as an audio and midi interface. It also has the editor as a VST for your DAW.

The Jupiter has the controls you mention, it is designed as a performance keyboard.

The apparent problem with both units could be polyphony, but there is no need to burden the instruments to get great results.

These 3 short video’s explain the ease of use in a live situation..or at the home when just playing music... they are quite short... total length of all 3 together is less then 5 minutes..







The other video’s give some depth about how tones and live sets are build..







And here some video’s showing how to use this technollogy..
Only for the diehards, as they are a bit longer
And the first 2 are in German, but pretty self explanatory





And finally Ed Diazz explaining the Jupiter 80





I think this sums it up nicely..