Donny, that update, along with everything else the Genos has to offer...should keep you busy for a good long while
Mitch

Thanx Mitch....
I think I have acquired Genos at just the right time.
2.0 is going to be amazing.

Suppose it will show up on the 15th?

Even more amazing...
There is nothing like the Genos...
And now they made it even better...

Wow, it looks like the 2.0 update will make the $6,000 Genos to match the features of the $2,000 SX900...

At least in the case of the chord looper that is true.

Fran, I thought for sure this was going to be your response
Mitch

I agree Bachus,...it is surely amazing sounding ......
worth every penny,..sometimes jealousy makes people haters.....
just sayin'

I can't believe Mitch is jealous

I just knew Fran would have to stir this pot! lol

Sure glad I'm not jealous of anything out there .... and I'm certainly no hater. I'm all about the love.

The Genos can be purchased for $4000 or less...One open box went on E-bay a short time ago for $3700!...That's what I'm willing to pay or less...Harold

Is there any price for happiness?

There is a "cost" to happiness.. it is called "giving"

Sorry DNJ I can be more happy paying the lower price...My happiness would be owning and playing combined...

Harold you only live once why not enjoy..
Most could easily sell off the old gear
and buy one easily..

Fran, If it were an option...I'd probably spring for the Genos. But that would interfere with the money I'm putting aside for the G-70

Fran, My comment has nothing to do with Genos, but I have to give you credit for your tenacity when it comes to Roland products and especially the G70. You should be on their sales maybe even R&D team. I know there is not probably not another member of this forum who has been so dedicated and loyal to one brand. Well maybe Gary with Yamaha.

Genos is a great keyboard, but it is not worth $6000. It is probably not even worth $4000 (at least to me). The bang for buck is at the MOTL in all brands-the SX900, PA1000 and E-A7. Don't believe me? Here's a video that compares the TOTL Tyros 5 to the PSR-970 sending the Tyros through the 970's speakers. Result-sure the Tyros sounds a little better but $4000 better? No.



You see this with acoustic guitars as well. It's called the law of diminishing returns. With acoustic guitars the sweet spot is about the same as it is for arrangers-$1500. Just my opinion and of course anyone is free to buy what they want.

You get what you pay for I'll stop there..

[quote=Dnj]You get what you pay for I'll stop there.. [/quot



That wasn't true with the Korg Oaysis years ago..

First things first, the controversy will go on between what arranger is better, what is better bang for , etc etc. for as long as there’s a SZ, people and arranger keyboards.

My 2 cents and only my opinion for whatever it’s worth. I don’t know anyone who paid even close to the $6000 price tag, it’s more like in the $4000 price range. That’s not to say someone has not paid close to the $6000 price tag. I will say this too that audiences may not necessarily know the difference between a MOTL and a Genos. For me as a musician there is nothing like sitting behind the keys of a Genos and hearing the sound coming from that arranger. The bonus for me is I can play piano solo on it if needed (76 keys) no it’s not like playing a real piano but it can and does do the job.

One more thought when I bought the Genos 2 years ago my wife took a look at it and said why this one it looks like all the other arrangers you’ve owned I can’t understand why you have to keep buying these keyboards............then after I turned it on and played it she said WHOA, this is the best sounding one yet.

Yup there’s a butt for every seat and there’s nothing wrong with a MOTL arranger, I know there’s some SZ members who have earned a great living playing a MOTL arranger. The way I figure it life is short I don’t drink, gamble, smoke or womanize gotta have a vice of some kind for me it’s Genos and it’s worth every penny I paid for it.

Yes, but is it more than you need?
I have the Premier model Chevy Malibu ... Fully loaded ... A Tesla would cost 4 times as much, but is it going to serve me any better???

Great analogy!

Please...when someone here gets V2 Genos update...please let us know about the new voices and styles....SOON.....it might put me off the fence on getting one!
Thanks in advance,
Lee

+1

DNJ...Back to the beginning....I'm VERY HAPPY for You getting the Genos...We are a lot a like...I have to have a Keyboard that will inspire Me to play Music. It must Have 76 keys( for full keyboard Piano playing) with a reasonable weight...From all the peoples reviews being VERY POSITIVE with the Genos and what I hear Online I think I would Love one...No way was I trying to offend You in any way...Best wishes in all You do....Sincerely, Harold

Harold I hope you get a Genos under the tree this year.

I can understand the need - desire? - for 76 keys, but other than that shouldn't the inspiration for playing come from within ? ...
When I was first taking management courses we were told that money is the lowest motivational factor for a person's performance and that pay increases only motivated for a very short period of time ... It took me a while to understand that ... I feel the same way about keyboards ... yes, they may motivate you initially, but how long does that last ?!?

Genos is very inspirational the Kino strings... Ensembles... Nashville styles...Freeplay Styles..etc, Guitars... Pianos .. WOW!..
It just makes you want to play..
talk about inspirerng ..

I'm sure other boards were just as inspirational at some time ...

But ENJOY it, and play the hell out of it ...

Not like this or it would have been on the way back.

Donny, glad to hear you’re enjoying the Genos. You see now, that picture I made two years ago of you playing the Genos was a premonition
Mitch

Remember, if register your G at Yamaha, you'll get a code for a free addon pack in Y store.
If like the country stuff, the Country-pack is great too. But so are several others....

Nice to see you're having fun.
Tomorrow my calendar say it's 15 Nov 👌 🎹🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵

Btw,
found this in a post by 'voodoo' at PSR Tut forum.
Countdown for more info ...... 😁

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52220.msg411538/topicseen.html#msg411538

Hi,
that was worth watching. I’ve always bought the Totl arrangers, but that video is food for thought.
Sound wise, there didn’t appear to be that much difference which I found totally surprising.
Sometimes I think maybe we pay extra features we may not even use.
Definitely was in the case of my Pa4x.
Be interesting to see more demos along the same lines, ie Pa4x vs Pa1000 sounds. Or the Genos vs SX900 sounds.

I know in my case I would have been paying nearly 2 1/2 times the price for a Genos vs sx900, plus the added cost of external speakers. I probably wouldn’t have been content with my 30 year old Yamaha moniter speakers even though they’re still working perfectly.

If you are unable to pay a lot of money for something, you do not have to bashing the product immediately

I

Thanx gunnar great heads up on new v2.0 update.

✔

Some info posted at PSR Tutorial Forum worth attention, but I suppose it will be among the 'warnings' within the install instructions as well. 📝☑

Hi Jonny,
definitely worth checking out. Some users used to get themselves in trouble with major Korg upgrades, if they didn’t back up and save stuff correctly. You don’t want to lose data or settings you’ve created.

Not long to go now.

Anyone know what new 50 styles will be?

There’s a number of styles on the sx, that aren’t on the Genos. So will be interesting to see if they are 50 brand new ones .

There also other things not revealed in teaser too...?

Hi Donny,
certainly looks like you bought yours at the right time. Great to hear you are enjoying it.
Not long now.

Yes Rikki...
V2.0 is gonna be Hugh for Genos..
Just a few more hours...

You’ll be counting in minutes, in no time. Haha.

Its here, in europe

Important to know :
There is also a new version of Yem,
which seems to be a requirement.

2.0 Downloaded ☑,
Installed ☑,
Yem 2.6 and packs installed ☑.
Downloaded all updated addons such as new manuals, Playlist for the new pack and other updated dokuments. ☑
Everything went smooth and sucessfully. ☑ ✔
Various and nice style&soundpack, I like the 60's a lot. 😍
Now I'm going to take a futher look into the new stuff..... 😎👍 🎵🎵🎵

GJ,

Thanks for the update.

[V1.41 to V2.00]

-A new Chord Looper function is available.

-Improved the layout and operations on the Style Creator display.

-You can now use the Style Section Reset function by pressing the [TAP TEMPO] button.

-You can now select whether the Song is changed or not when you press the [PREV] button on the Song Setting display.

-You can now configure the Crossfade in the Mono Type in the Voice Edit display.

-You can now configure the Portamento Time Type on the Voice Edit display.

-You can now select the next Song in the middle of Song playback.

-You can now configure the parameters of Multi Pad 1-4 Part (using as the Audio Link Multi pad) in the Mixer display.

-You can now configure the "Part On/Off" of AUX In Audio and the "Part On/Off" of Wireless LAN Audio in the Mixer display.

-Improved the Scale Tune function.

You can now access the Scale Tune function from the Menu display.
You can now set a temporary scale by the Sub Scale function.
-New System Exclusive messages corresponding to the Scale Tune function have been added.

-You can now call up the Insertion Effect Setting display in the Mic Setting display.

-You can now assign new parameters to the controllers in the Live Control and Assignable displays.

-You can now call up the Chord Looper and Assignable displays by the Direct Access function.

-You can now configure the outputs of the Audio Song and the Voice Guide Sound/Wireless LAN Audio in the Line Out display.

-You can now store the Assign Type of Live Control to Registration Memory.

-You can now sort the Playlist.

-Now supports use with the Yamaha Expansion Manager (V2.6.0 or later).

-Changes: The range of the Time Signature setting has been expanded.

-Changes: You can have the MIDI Song that is selected on the Dual Player opened automatically when you call up the MIDI Multi Recording function.

-Changes: You can register the Voice and Style of User drive to the Favorite tab.

-Changes: Improved the method of selecting Parts on the Mixer display.

-Changes: The Tuning display has been separated into the Master tune display and the Scale Tune display.

-Changes: You can now configure whether to apply the Scale Tune to each part individually for Right 1, Right 2 and Right 3, in the Scale Tune display.

-Changes: The menu display layout has been reorganized due to the addition of new functions.

-Changes: The maximum number of User Effects which can be saved has been expanded.

-Changes: The maximum number of letters in the name of User Effects and the name of MIDI Settings has been expanded.

-Changes: The maximum size of Expansion Voice has been increased to approx. 3 GB.

-Changes: The Voice Guide function supports display changes of this version. Please download the latest Voice Guide file from the product site to ensure that the additional sounds work properly.

-Changes: Improved the response of the Tap Tempo controls.

-Fixed a problem in which the Audio Song parameters were not properly saved to Registration Memory in certain situations.

-Fixed a problem in which certain Music Finder Record files of Tyros series could not be imported.

-Fixed other problems.

Gunnar what are the names of the new styles?

Here's the style and sound list, also downloadable from the update site, also new manuals etc is there.
Just scroll down form the top and down. ✔

Thanx Gunnar I assume Superior Pack must be loaded
separate from the 2.0 update correct?

Yes, it's a addonpack just the same kind that's in the store.
You can use USB stick or YEM 2.6
Descriptions of 'how to do' is in the manuals and info at downloadpage. 👍


Note, if you have not updated to v2 first, the special pack won't install.
If use YEM, you most use v 2.6

In my delima to choose SX900 or Genos....I wander if the new voices and/or styles are mostly from the SX900 or NEW to BOTH keyboards??
When you guys get time...please do video or something to let us know how good they are..especially the voices...
Thanks,
Lee

Maybe this help to explain the YEM:

Hi Jonny,
Is there much difference between the new Yem and the prior version? Or is it explained in the utube clip?
Can’t watch at the moment it’s 4am . Haha

Congratulations on a seamless update.

Thanks Rikki.

I did not notice any special differences so far, other that it recognise the amount of memory added, and what's used of it.
I can see by other posts elsewhere that if not update YEM, the added space will not show up.
But as long as Yamaha say it must be updated to 2.6 to work with G-2.0, it's probably more changes than what's visible. 😎

this is major frustration to load these expansion packs ....ready to give up now
I don't have the time or patience for this ..

Thank you Jonny,
I’ll update mine too, just noticed it shows up on the sx download page too.

How’s the new styles?

I feel for you, mate. See my reply in the other update topic.

I updated the YEM to 2.6 - works just as the earlier version did. The change history (for 2.6) says the fixes were:
-------------
[V2.5.3 to V2.6.0]
Now supports the Genos V2.00.
Incremental installation of Expansion Packs using a USB flash drive called as "Quick Installation" is now available on compatible instruments.
Solved some other minor problems
-------------

I was able to install all the packs yesterday that are compatible w/the SX900. So far, so good! Love the board!

Randy, what packs did you install that aren’t already in the 900?
Mitch

Hi Mitch - I installed all the Audio Styles....(there were 8 sets) and a folder with a bunch of other styles - put them all into the pack which when Imported now makes them all available when I press the EXP button.

Quick installation with Yem doesnt work , lost al my files and settings in the Genos ,Must load everything again .

I love the Genos, but YEM is the most awfull program i know .

I

still not working failure every time...something is wrong

Randy, did you have to use YEM?
Thanks

Hi Mitch

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/mu...ml#product-tabs

Mitch - I just followed Telmo's instructions on PSR Tutorial.... the audio styles (5 or more styles per pack) appear in audio packs, which I don't believe I can export as a non-pack (but I am not sure - have not tried to import them via a straight USB copy). Thought I read somewhere that you can't export or save audio files. The import worked perfect using the 8 audio packs and the YEM for me.

I found the folders where the Audio packs were saved. Each folder only contains 3 files - a list of the styles on the pack, a .ppf file (comprised of the styles - which is what you need to select to get the pack into the group of data you are going to import) and a read.me file which says to import them using the YEM. Hope this helps. They play great on the SX!

It looks like the update gave you the Chord looper and reconfigured the expansion memory... the rest are improvements to OS and bug fixes.

Hi
I installed the T5 audio styles using Yem onto USB stick and installed them into sx.
After I installed , I was then able to copy them individually into my style library which I keep on a USB stick.
As far as I am aware they don’t have have to reside in the sx.

The Yamaha paks do.

Self created audio data can be kept on USB.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52436.0.html

In my delima to choose SX900 or Genos....I wander if the new voices and/or styles are mostly from the SX900 or NEW to BOTH keyboards??
When you guys get time...please do video or something to let us know how good they are..especially the voices...
Thanks,
Lee

And NEW sounds and styles!

Donny,
If you like you can PM me
I'll give you my phone number and will try to walk you through it.
Eric

Eric thanx so much I would have almost called you but after 5 hrs was able to obtain some great instruction on file extensions from so many genos players that was the culprit and a clean USB.....
finally after changing files YEM .cqi to .cpi all worked and man I am blown away with these sounds and styles besides all the other new goodies in v2.0....
again Eric thank you my friend.

Rikki,
the style collection is in fact good, a bit from sevral genres from the 50'es up til now.
Even it it's made a kind of allround, they does fit more to dedicated songs than others. But that's how it is in the preset collection as well.
They made a special playlist with songs using this pack. 50 styles and settings, same amount as the new styles.
Also good mix regarding new sounds and how they composed it together in OTS.

For those who have any interest, here's the songtiles listed in playlist for the stylepack as txt file.

Donny,
You are more than welcome.
I know how frustrating it can be.
Been there myself.
Had some forum members in the past help my over the phone, like Gary and others.
Just paying it forward.
Glad you got it sorted out.
Have fun playing ....
All the best
Eric

Donny...OK...WOW, your blown away with the new sounds & styles...that's a pretty good endorsement!
Lee

Lee I have not heard or played anything beterr then Genos so far... Go for it and enjoy.

Thank you Jonny,
Nice selection of songs to go with the new styles.
Enjoy.