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#480834 - 11/16/19 12:05 PM
Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Boy I am glad I started from scratch setting up all over again with Genos. Yes it takes a bit more time to do your home work but well worth the effort. Of course I have all my previous Yamaha Psr, S, & Tyros, keyboard setups saved & all ready to go, and yes you can pretty much just plug them in and off you go to a point,.....yes all the styles loaded into Genos with no problem, ...but, it does not recognize old registrations from previous KBs The registration need to be converted for Genos with a third party program such as Murry Best's registration manager program.. But I just chose to start from scratch. https://psrtutorial.com/util/best.htmlThat said and to get back to the topic soon you will notice that many of the old styles even though they have the same titles are completely reworked and sound so much better,.... what does that mean?.....your old ones will be missing a lot of different parts within the styles if you just A/B them you will see the big differences in so many ways. So with that in mind don't be lazy replace your old styles of the same titles with the new ones,.... Yes you have to re-save all your OTS sounds within the New Style... but, the reward is well worth the effort. Ps this goes for new SX owners also.
Edited by Dnj (11/16/19 12:16 PM)
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#480850 - 11/16/19 01:45 PM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 09/21/02
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I think that is good advice. I know that if I had either, while tempted to take advantage of all of my previous work, I would be afraid of missing out on the improved sounds. I would just bite the bullet, knowing that, in the end, it would pay off. Bernie
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#480851 - 11/16/19 02:08 PM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
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Boy I am glad I started from scratch setting up all over again with Genos. Yes it takes a bit more time to do your home work but well worth the effort. Of course I have all my previous Yamaha Psr, S, & Tyros, keyboard setups saved & all ready to go, and yes you can pretty much just plug them in and off you go to a point,.....yes all the styles loaded into Genos with no problem, ...but, it does not recognize old registrations from previous KBs The registration need to be converted for Genos with a third party program such as Murry Best's registration manager program.. But I just chose to start from scratch. https://psrtutorial.com/util/best.htmlThat said and to get back to the topic soon you will notice that many of the old styles even though they have the same titles are completely reworked and sound so much better,.... what does that mean?.....your old ones will be missing a lot of different parts within the styles if you just A/B them you will see the big differences in so many ways. So with that in mind don't be lazy replace your old styles of the same titles with the new ones,.... Yes you have to re-save all your OTS sounds within the New Style... but, the reward is well worth the effort. Ps this goes for new SX owners also. Hard to believe my Genos is celebrating its 2 year old birthday this month so I have forgotten, but Donny reminded me I started everything from scracth once I got the Genos. Good advice.
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#480855 - 11/16/19 02:38 PM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Hi, I’m starting from scratch anyway, don’t have registrations from prior psr’s, so maybe a good thing. The downloadable songlist and registrations, is possibly a starting point to get ideas of what styles to use for a particular song, but really I prefer to choose my own.
Thanks to Stephen, I downloaded the Songbook + software for my iPad, now starting to create my registrations and linking them to the songs in the Songbook app. Great when you tap on a song you want to play, and up pops the corresponding registration. Discovering this is so much easier than flicking thru an album with a 100 + songs, then trying to find a style to use with it, or deciphering the scribbled notes on what style I used last time.
As for styles, definitely better using the ones onboard, but , having said that, there are at least a couple of hundred that aren’t on the SX, and work almost perfectly with it. Some don’t have an equivalent. They dropped a bunch of movie styles that I am finally able to play thanks to the voices on the sx, Some ballads appear to be missing. So, definitely , onboard is always better, but prior styles do come in handy too.
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#480858 - 11/16/19 03:14 PM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: rikkisbears]
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
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Hi, I’m starting from scratch anyway, don’t have registrations from prior psr’s, so maybe a good thing. The downloadable songlist and registrations, is possibly a starting point to get ideas of what styles to use for a particular song, but really I prefer to choose my own.
Thanks to Stephen, I downloaded the Songbook + software for my iPad, now starting to create my registrations and linking them to the songs in the Songbook app. Great when you tap on a song you want to play, and up pops the corresponding registration. Discovering this is so much easier than flicking thru an album with a 100 + songs, then trying to find a style to use with it, or deciphering the scribbled notes on what style I used last time.
As for styles, definitely better using the ones onboard, but , having said that, there are at least a couple of hundred that aren’t on the SX, and work almost perfectly with it. Some don’t have an equivalent. They dropped a bunch of movie styles that I am finally able to play thanks to the voices on the sx, Some ballads appear to be missing. So, definitely , onboard is always better, but prior styles do come in handy too. Rikki, Glad to hear you’ve been using Songbook +, it’s a great tool for sure.
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#480874 - 11/16/19 07:17 PM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Over the years, I have never wanted my old keyboard to sound like my new one. In each and every case, when I purchased a new keyboard, I spent up to 3 months exploring the new styles to replace those for the songs I had been playing over the years I performed with my older board. Not only was this a challenge for this old codger, but it was also lots of fun and a great way to explore the new board. Have fun, Gary
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#480886 - 11/17/19 06:13 AM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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I think there are all kinds of reasons people buy new keyboards. Some just have to have the latest, greatest thing out there, no other reason needed. Others may be intrigued by the new styles and improved sounds that a new model may offer. Others upgrade because a new model may now contain operational features that better meets their needs. In this last group, there are many who 'love' some of the styles in their old keyboard, utilize them regularly, and wouldn't dream of abandoning them. A 'better' version of some of those styles may not even exist on the new model and the person may lack the patience or expertise to try to recreate them on the new KB. But in the end, whether or not you choose to add 'legacy' styles to your new KB or try to recreate them from scratch, is strictly a personal choice and deserves neither praise nor criticism. Hey, as with most things in life, 'to each his own'. JMO.
chas
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#480918 - 11/17/19 12:16 PM
Re: Using NEW Yamaha Styles Replace Old Ones
[Re: leeboy]
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Registered: 12/22/02
Posts: 6021
Loc: NSW,Australia
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Rikki, What do you mean there are at least a couple hundred styles not there (from previous boards you have had?) and They dropped a bunch of movie styles that I am finally able to play thanks to the voices on the sx (movie styles from??).
I really like FREE STYLE styles, and there is not many on SX....I hope the ones from Genos would be available somehow and work on SX??
Lee Hi Lee, Over the years I managed to collect factory styles from most of the Yamaha keyboards ie psr 2000 thru to s970, t1 thru to t5. Never really been able to play a number of the T series , the voices didn’t exist in the psr line. so there could be a style part I couldn’t hear. It was there but no sound. I could have edited and found a substitute sound, but , quite frankly I couldn’t be bothered. I had my korgs, my psr was only ever a style source for my converting hobby. Anyway, had all these styles sitting round for years, when I bought the sx , decided to to try them. The early psr 2000/2100, I basically dumped, to me they sounded awful on the sx. I think I kept one , a really great piano arpeggio / strings style which I’ll tweak up. ( I think I converted it for each one of my korgs over the years). For me a keeper. Next I checked T1/T2, deleted all duplicates. Next I did psr 3000/ s900/ T3. Deleted duplicates. Probably ended up with majority of T 3 styles. They sounded better than the psr / t1/t2 equivalent. Then I did the s910 /T 4, removed duplicates, last I did s970 /T5 again removed duplicates. I would say I ended up with majority T4/T5 . Last I checked what I had left against the sx, removed duplicates, Haven’t counted them but possibly around 200. There are some earlier ones, plus the odd psr did sound better than the equivalent T style. I wasn’t necessarily going by what keyboard it came from, but which one to me, sounded best on the sx. I love the movie styles , they all work really well. The styles that were missing voices when played on s950, now on the whole appear to work. One thing I did discover, can’t always go by the name, there could be a couple of styles , same name , but not identical. I only checked Intro3 and a couple of variations, if a couple slipped thru , so be it. Anyway all done. Doubt I’ll ever go thru that exercise again. Haha I could be wrong, but not sure if Genos actually has that many more Free styles than were available on T series. I’d have to check. Send me a message if you need more info.
Edited by rikkisbears (11/17/19 12:18 PM)
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