I stumbled across this video the other day.

I was mesmerised at how lovely this sounds, but is it a midi file? Has anybody heard this version before? Because I really would like it.

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2:09 - 2:49



Incidentally, the T5 I think sounds so much better as well, the Audya sounds bland in comparison.

Sounds like a SMf ...
but it's a simple Bossa you can play with so many styles & an Octave Piano try it....
also videos aren't the best source of A/B'ing sound much too many variables...

Thanks Donny, yes its a pretty simple song to play I understand. I have played it before myself but I like how this smf is arranged here.

Danny have fun..

Danny I hope you don't mind a different perspective.


I think this demo.. Yamaha picked on the wrong Ketron

The Tyros is thin sounding, that is why is swimming in effects..

Audya is fatter, with more clarity and definition, Unlike the Tyros it sounds live.

I think the Ketron samples are better than Yamaha.

Especially drums and bass, easily better on Audya.

I think folks would be surprised if they heard these two stripped of all effects, and listen to the quality of the samples.. Yamaha would be embarrassed.

Yet Yamaha kills Ketron in sales.... Hmmm?

+1.

One thing Yamaha has is good marketing (recall the Genos hype) and a loyal fan base who were willing to buy keyboards for years and years with only incremental upgrades. Thankfully, the Genos and SX900 have broken that trend to some extent with the touch screens, looper and other features.

Also the old mine is better than yours
perks up the ears....

I have no horse in this race..


Just my opinion in contrast to another opinion

My opinion is that some songs sound better on the tyros and others on the Audya.

One thing to be mindful of is that all the Ketron demos are in stereo...the majority of Yamaha demos are mono and almost purposely made to sound dull and with less volume. I’ve heard T5 demos that sound much better than this.
Mitch

I got to hand it to Ketron they can hold their own with the big boys. The Ketron Audya has been out for years before the Tyros 5 was introduced. What about the Ketron SD-9 and SD-60? I think that Ketron has done a good job of providing us the tools to make incredible music. No bad choices here....

I agree with Fran. There is no question about the superior samples and the live sound being more pronounced. Some like the more homogenized sound, but other than sound Ketron suffers from a much smaller marketing impact, and perceived reliability issues. Personally, I have the Audya 76, as well as the SD40 and SD2. I find all to be great.

OTOH, for quieter settings, I find my S970 fits the bill, so I can see why many like the Genos ans SX900.

The outstanding thing from Yamaha is that there is something new almost on a weekly basis coming from the huge, dedicated Yamaha community.

Styles are becoming available faster than I can audition them properly. Same goes for 3rd party software created by gifted community members.

My Yamaha sure keeps me busy and I appreciate that. I stated this before:

1. Few brands sound more real than Ketron.
2. Few brands WOW me more than Yamaha.
3. For now I like WOW more...

Just look at this impressive list of 3rd party software available at my disposal: (This list is not even complete...)

And look at the number of very high quality styles available to me:

Henni, it's that very list that gives me pause; if I don't use it (the software) i'm paying for a lot of capability that I'm not using; if I do use it, i'm spending 80% of my time 'fiddling around' and 20% playing. I prefer the other way around. But that's just me. I keep thinking how many tunes I could learn while trying to learn and utilize all that software (which will go for naught if I change keyboard brands). Just look at all the angst, confusion, and frustration exhibited in the last Genos update (I was genuinely concerned that we might lose one of our members). I'm not saying it's all bad; it's just that at my age I'd rather spend my time MAKING music rather than PREPARING to make music. JMO.

chas

Henni +1...
Yamaha trounces the competition with SUPPORT and there lies the power. Haters will be Haters,....there are many choices out there
I say less talk, ...and more playing to hear!

Good advice, you should take it.

Bernie all good thoughts.....Ketron can hold it's own for sure I have owned and performed with many of their units thru the years...
what makes people shy away even with the amazing live sound is SUPPORT, Stores where people can demo their units, etc,etc,
hands on playing,hearing, is believing.
have a great day buddy.

My question why you need so many styles and omg that software lol I also prefer spending my time playing music rather then playing with stupid software.

Henni has always shown a passion for creating and sharing his style creations. I’ve always appreciated his contributions in that area. It all depends on what aspect of music gives you the greatest pleasure...the playing side, or the technical side...or a combination of both. Nice to have options.
Mitch

Henni, what I don't see in your software list.. The top three software programs in their field. EMC Styleworks, PG Music BIAB, and V-arranger.

If that’s the case he better buy a Korg arranger. No software needed as everything can be done onboard even a smf to style converter.

Might be a little assumptive as Henni has been quite open about his only source of income is selling the styles he creates on his Yamaha.

Didn’t know that sorry

No problem all. I come from a serious Process Automation design @ programming background. Guess that's why I like to create/modify styles so much.

Now that I'm at home, this at least keeps my brain active before more cells start to die. I think of it as gym for my brain.

Yes, I program much more than I play, but I get huge fulfillment out of it. At least I guess that a few others are enjoying actually playing with some of these creations.

Tx for naming those other software packages - however I only listed the ones solely dedicated to Yamaha and about 90% of those can be downloaded & used for free.

In the world of music, there is only ONE objective; to create MUSIC. Ultimately, music comes from the BRAIN, from life experiences, from feelings and emotions, NOT from software routines. Think of all the world's greatest music and tell me which was created through software. I don't think Bach or Mozart ever hit an 'enter' key. In terms of producing music, technology should (IMO) represent @ 2% of the process. Music is an ART, not a science. It is a 'right brain' activity.

"The left side of the brain is responsible for controlling the right side of the body. It also performs tasks that have to do with logic, such as in science and mathematics. On the other hand, the right hemisphere coordinates the left side of the body, and performs tasks that have do with creativity and the arts."

JMO but, I feel the more we lean towards technology, the further we get away from the innate creativeness given to every human being. Again, JMO.

chas

Hi Fran,

Of course I don't mind a different point of view or opinion, and in fact I can definitely see where you're coming from in terms of effects as the T5's version of that smf certainly has more effects, and that's what I do like anyway. Not saying the Audya version sounded bad, but it reminds me of how Korg plays smf's as well. Yes they sound more natural but to get it how I like it to sound I have to do some heavy editing. Actually I did get them to sound as I liked on the Pa1x when I had it. The Yamaha's just seem to have the effects by default. Its a bit like how I like my salads, with lots of vinegar lol

Chas,

Most of what we, over here at this "ARRANGER" forum play, comes from the brains of very technical but highly talented people. If they focused on playing only, none of this would be so.

Music is changing and as of late electronics plays a HUGE role in just about EVERYTHING we listen to music wise. And programming makes for a huge part of this.

Henni

MUSIC, at it's essence, is NOT changing. Only the methods we use to physically and audibly recreate what is going on in our brain has changed. As with most things affected by technology, these methods have evolved but the music itself begins and ends in the brain. Technology allows us to share it with others.

chas

Not to fly too far South...but I’d say that technology has played a little bigger role than that Chas

Most of what the younger group listen to today can simply no longer be created with conventional musical instruments.

Most of what the younger people listen to today is rap crap.

+1

Okay, so clearly this is wrong forum for me. Since 'Rap' is produced almost exclusively by one ethnic/racial group (of which I happen to belong), I find it very offensive to see it referred to as "rap crap". I'm not a big fan of Rap but it is enjoyed by a very large and diverse segment of the population. I can just imagine the reaction on this forum if I referred to Country music as 'country crap'. There is country music and country artists that I like and country music and artist that I don't like but I'm not ready to declare the entire genre' 'crap', even if it hasn't exactly embraced me as an audience. No, old men, set in their ways and attitudes, do that. We keep hoping that when this generation of 'ol farts dies off, they'll be replaced by this more accepting, more progressive, more idealistic group of current-day youth, but it never happens. It seems they start off okay, hit 50 or 60 and suddenly turn into the same thing as the previous older generation. There is a beautiful song called 'Everything Must Change'. If only it were true.

Okay, rant over. Take your best shot.

chas

Hi Henni,
I can relate. Did it for years myself. For me it was all about the technology.

Till last year, when I physically couldn’t play for many months, and wasn’t even sure I’d get back full use of my right hand.

Wake up call for me. I actually missed playing, even though I hardly did any.
Bit of a turn around for me. I’m doing more playing than tweaking now.

But I understand that you enjoy what you’re doing. So, enjoy what you do.

Hi Bernie,
I suppose as a Ketron and Yamaha owner you can appreciate Danny’s view .

Ketrons are just not readily available here. Had an sd1+ , but a availability here has gone down hill. Which is a shame.

Hi Rikki,
Yes, being a small company in Italy, with limited distribution, certainly curtails availability in some areas. Luckily, we have so many choices we can easily adapt to whatever is available, at least here.

It is sure nice to see you active again. It is like finding a lost friend.

Bernie

Hi Bernie,
Thank you . It’s great being back.

Here is my 2 cents, The T5 and Audya are completely 2 different animals and 2 different age groups.

I also think that the boards are tailored to different audiences, even though it can be adapted.

I always found the yamahas to be a more of a Americanized board with touching on some latin and world styles. I owned various yamahas and they were great for one type of genre but not another.

I think the ketrons are geared for european and latin american play, that also adapts to the american genre.

Yamaha has never been known for their latin. Their latin genre can suit a besame mucho or a cha cha cha at a retirement party, but will never compete with the true south american latin styles of a ketron and Italian styles. Also aj's adaption of African styles just opened up another market of players that other keyboards do not have.