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#485432 - 12/31/19 06:16 AM setting up a genos or sx900 playlist versions
Dnj Offline
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I wanted to start w a whole new thread on how players use the new playlist and how they set it up vs the previous MFD , KORG songbook,
or the way I do it with 1 REG button per song within a bank of 8 or 10 song buttons and 4 OTS sounds...

Originally Posted By Stephenm52
Originally Posted By Dnj
The Playlist is a big PITA for loading single songs... Hope they update it soon..
Korg songbook is so much better...


Donny, I’m not sitting at your side but not sure why you seem to be having a tough time with Playlist, from my experience it’s on par with Songbook just a little different way of skinning the cat. I use 1 song per registration bank then add and/or order to a playlist.


Steve....

I might become a fan if you can tell me STEP BY STEP
HOW TO TAKE 20 REGISTRATIONS BANKS OF SONGS 8 SONGS PER REG BANK
FOR A TOTAL OF 160 SONGS.......
THEN SEPARATE ALL THOSE SONGS FROM THE REGISTRATIONS IN THE PLAYLIST AND PUT THEM INTO ONE PLAYLIST SINGULARLY IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER
SO YOU CAN SCROLL THRU THEM SINGULARLY JUST LIKE SONGBOOK ON KORG..
REMEMBER STEVE STEP BY STEP ...
THANX

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#485408 - December 30, 2019 07:05 PM Re: LEE how do you like the SX900 so far? [Re: Dnj]
Stephenm52 Offline
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The Playlist is a big PITA for loading single songs...
Hope they update it soon..
Korg songbook is so much better...


Donny, I’m not sitting at your side but not sure why you seem to be having a tough time with Playlist, from my experience it’s on par with Songbook just a little different way of skinning the cat. I use 1 song per registration bank then add and/or order to a playlist.


Steve....

I might become a fan if you can tell me STEP BY STEP
HOW TO TAKE 20 REGISTRATIONS BANKS OF SONGS 8 SONGS PER REG BANK
FOR A TOTAL OF 160 SONGS.......
THEN SEPARATE ALL THOSE SONGS FROM THE REGISTRATIONS IN THE PLAYLIST AND PUT THEM INTO ONE PLAYLIST SINGULARLY IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER
SO YOU CAN SCROLL THRU THEM SINGULARLY JUST LIKE SONGBOOK ON KORG..
REMEMBER STEVE STEP BY STEP ...
THANX


Ah I see what you’re saying, You CANNOT use 8 songs per bank and split them in a playlist. It works with 1 song per bank but in that bank you can add any variation, voice, multipads, pedal assignments. Why wouldn’t you just assign 1 song per bank?

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Edited by Dnj (01/02/20 04:46 AM)

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#485433 - 12/31/19 06:18 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
Dnj Offline
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I don't think anyone understands what I am trying to say above?
and that said I guess it cannot be done as I mentioned just like with the KORG songlist?

I am willing to experiment using it on a trial basis
using this multi REG method with much caution.....

Originally Posted By DonM
That's what I've been trying to tell you! One song per bank.

I don't think anyone understands what I am trying to say above?
and that said I guess it cannot be done as I mentioned just like with the KORG songlist?

too bad the play list another feature I will never use..

That would mean I would have to take hundreds of songs that I already have setup 1 reg per song 4 ots......and start from scratch and use a bank for each song button 1 for the initial song and 3 or 4 more reg button setups just for sounds using the same Reg setup?????

this is nuts confused2
as I would have at the end over 500 reg banks
and have to Name EACH REG bank with the title of the song?
and instead of using OTS I have to now assign my sounds into other reg buttons too?...and then you have to remember what sounds are on which buttons? vs just 4 OTS sounds?... that it will work with the playlist?
vs the 150+ I have now........
all this just to use the playlist???


Edited by Dnj (12/31/19 06:22 AM)

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#485435 - 12/31/19 06:25 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
Dnj Offline
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Also all you multi REG button per song players ....



HOW DO YOU REMEMBER ALL THE DIFFERENT SOUNDS
YOU HAVE SET UP IN ALL THE OTHER REG BUTTONS ON EACH SONG????? confused1

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#485442 - 12/31/19 06:52 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
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Donny, this is written with one thought; trying to help you.

Later today I will unravel your post so I can give you what I understand. The Kn7000 did not allow you to write your own four OTS instruments, you had to rewrite the style. The Korg Pa800 allowed you to change the OTS instruments. The Sx900 has taken this to a higher level. This opens the door to many options; you need to think out of the box to appreciate what they have done.

I have been working on the Regs., the Playlist is on hold. My commonsense; If I have 800 songs in my playlist, finding the song I want will be a problem; so Yamaha must have a system. The system in my Tyros III allowed e to put a code name in each song that was saved. If I wanted a set of songs that I used when playing NH, the code might be NH; enter the code name, and there’s the songs I am looking for.. This opens the door to start MY system of retrieving songs.

When I think of have 8 Regs and 4 OTS I am excited. I can go anywhere, come back, add anything, come back --- imagination is my only Problem. I have not done anything with the playlist, got to learn hoe it works first. I did see the word TAG, that might be a clue.

Enjoy your new baby, John C

PS, Again, Jerry – fantastic thinking.
When I get a new keyboard I always focus on what the keyboard can do. Not on what it can't do.
Jerryghr

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#485443 - 12/31/19 06:53 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
Dnj Offline
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Please remember I am talking about using the NEW genos or sx900
playlist while playing in a LIVE situation not at home ...

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#485447 - 12/31/19 07:14 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
Fran Carango Offline
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Why make this more complicated then it is smile

It is called a "play list", the definition tells you exactly what it is used for... confused

You make a list of songs you intend to play and the order to play them grin

It is not your "complete " library. As your "Song book" section on a Korg.

If you are doing an hour show.. the list will be 20-25 entries in the playlist. A 4 hour gig will have 60 entries in the playlists.

It will work the same in your bedroom, or out on a job shocked

Every Play list I ever used or tried... it points to a song and content from your library in memory..
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#485458 - 12/31/19 08:29 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Fran Carango]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By Fran Carango
Why make this more complicated then it is smile

It is called a "play list", the definition tells you exactly what it is used for... confused

You make a list of songs you intend to play and the order to play them grin

It is not your "complete " library. As your "Song book" section on a Korg.

If you are doing an hour show.. the list will be 20-25 entries in the playlist. A 4 hour gig will have 60 entries in the playlists.

It will work the same in your bedroom, or out on a job shocked

Every Play list I ever used or tried... it points to a song and content from your library in memory..


Fran your not a Yamaha guy....lol
it is supposed to replace the MFD...
and it sure is more difficult then songbook on korg..
I am not convinced yet..
I'm a navigational player and anything that makes it easier on stage is a plus...so far this isn't...


Edited by Dnj (12/31/19 08:33 AM)

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#485477 - 12/31/19 01:18 PM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
Dnj Offline
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I guess I'll focus on what's good and
what I can use on sx900 for my needs for now...

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#485481 - 12/31/19 02:13 PM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
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Playlist records are direct shortcuts to registrations. You can have more than one record song setup in an 8 bank registration saved in Playlist

BUT BUT BUT....
ONCE THE REGISTRATION IS LOADED IN PLAYLIST, YOU HAVE TO LET PLAYLIST KNOW THE NAME OF THE SONG, AND THE BANK THAT CONTAINS THE SONG

DO THIS IN PLAYLIST "EDIT" Rename, bank number, then SAVE

Either that, or one song, one Registration
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#485484 - 12/31/19 02:20 PM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
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Donny, I have about 72 songs saved in 9 banks. I used the same sets, about 8 songs to a set on my Pa1000. This is how I started. If I was playing a job, and I am sure that’s over, I have my Sx900 set up to go. Some of those regs. I used for more than one song. Simple, fast, was done in very little time.

Now because I am always ready to go deeper, it is my nature, I found things that I got me excited, wow, look what I can do --- I am off and running. I see possibilities that I have not seen in other keyboards. I am not saying that Yamaha is better than Korg, or Yamaha is better than Roland. Nor am I saying that my way is THE way.

If all of this takes away your joy, or leads you into any kind of frustration, the hell with it. Use whatever makes you the happiest.

I am, working on a song, Never-The-Less, big band style. My voice s giving me a bit of a hard time, but if I can get past that I am going to post it. It demonstrates what I have written.

My good friend Bill Watkins, owner of Watkins products, Bought the first keyboard that Wersi made – He was not very technical. After three weeks he explained how he was going to drive to the nearest bridge and throw the keyboard onto the oncoming traffic.
Man, I loved that guy.

Donny have one great New Year, this guy loves you, John C.

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#485488 - 12/31/19 02:44 PM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: bruno123]
Dnj Offline
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Thanx John... Can't wait to hear your version of the song... I play it all the time great standard.

Happy New Year

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#485556 - 01/01/20 10:53 AM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: Dnj]
kbrkr Offline
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Registered: 11/19/02
Posts: 2866
Loc: Tampa, FL
My IMMEDIATE impression of the Genos Playlist and Registration function is similar to Donny's. I have hundreds of entries in my Korg Songbook. To create an entry you simply load a style, midi, or MP3; press and hold the Songbook function and BOOM its added to the songbook. You can then simply go into songbook with one keypress and press ADD TO SETLIST for the current setlist. Boom your done.

On the Genos its lots more button pushes:
Call up the Style, Midi, Mp3, voices, etc.
Press MEMORY and Registration 1
Press on the Registration name in the Home menu
Press MENU, select Registration Edit,
Press SAVE, SAve at location while changing the Name to the SONG you are saving.
Press Playlist
Press ADD TO Playlist
Press SAVE
SAVE the Playlist (so you don't lose it when power off)
Done

Now you tell me which is the better workflow for adding/setting up 100's of new songs?

Also, the Registration function does not contain any song specific metadata such as Author, Genre, Tempo, etc.
Also, the Registration function does not allow sorting on Date or any other metadata.
Also, the MP3 Player on the Genos is not as robust as the Korg either. I will have to compromise to make it work.

The Korg system is MUCH better.
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#485576 - 01/01/20 04:03 PM Re: SETTING UP A GENOS OR SX900 PLAYLIST VERSIONS [Re: kbrkr]
Dnj Offline
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Al I certainly hear you big time!! .. computer

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