Amazing for sure!.....Harold

Agreed Harold this topic with no replies
at least somebody is interested ..

I don't think there are many song writers here, Donny ...

I would assume when you play an arranger keyboard you are composing songs don't you agree?

Not a song writer, but I did a lot of recording with technics. I am not sure why, but I recorded 10x more songs with my Psr2100, and Tyros III, then I did with the three korgs I had.

Donny, a very interesting video, thanks. I understood everything until the last section. I would be interested in watching an in-depth on the last section, working computer and keyboard.

John C.

John would love to hear some of those recordings?

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Very intersting, thanks for sharing....

Admittedly, I have not watched the video because the thread title didn't interest me that much.

And, no, I don't agree that I am composing a song when playing an arranger KB, because I am playing a song someone else composed ... Even if I am taking an ad-lib solo, I am using the composer's song as my basis ... JMHO

Tony when you are playing the song on arranger you are composing an arrangement..

No, you’re arranging someone else’s composition.

Ok great... another post ruined on
it's journey south... Whatever

Lee glad you found it informative..

Donny, my friend, I think this started it on its journey ... You asked a question and some people responded ...

I have some original songs that I composed and wrote, with the help of the arranger. Now I'm bummed that they aren't original songs.

Hi Donny and fellow responders:

You have at least two song-writers who frequent this part of the "Zone." I do the best I can with the "instrument available to me"... the 970 but am increasingly frustrated with the complexity of Vocal Harmony and Vocal Effects. Then, when combined with creeping old age and poor health, it's difficult to spend much time here and at other sites I used to frequent quite often. Many of the real good song-writer's sites have hung up their spurs.

Tony, the Intro and Outro of styles do not "make up the composition" of the song," IMHO... but granted, they have the capability to influence things. As I see it, without the arranger, I would be stuck with a single instrument song and unless I possessed immense talents on both the instrument and my vocal (not to mention fantastic melody and lyric creativity)... I would not stand a ghost of a chance in getting the gist of what my song(s) are attempting to achieve.

All that considered, the worst pitfall in writing today... newbies seem to come out of the woodwork in droves wanting to be songwriters. Most are only lyricists looking for co-writes with composers. Without real support from insiders with clout, the odds of success are downright pitiful. Most of us consider it a hobby... even though many of us work at it as though it is our "Day Job."

I hope your weather is improving up there along the East Coast.

Regards, ----Dave

Hi Zuki,
Tend to think if you have written an “original “ song, shouldn’t make any difference if it was written on an arranger keyboard, piano , guitar whatever.

Don’t think that was what Tony and Dave were referring to??

Maybe I got it wrong.

Thanks, Rikki:

No doubt in my mind that Zuki has written an original song even if an Arranger was used. Chords and notes in the "body" of the song must be played and the Intro and Outro are like "icing on the cake"... especially if they are striking musically and lend credence to the genre of the song. Don't forget, the voices/instruments selected for the song's style can really make a difference.

Nearly every song I've written began with an idea, led me to a notebook to write down the story-line and to later, fill in the chords for each verse, chorus or other elements of the song. Style selection is a bit like an Easter-Egg hunt and I do my best to find ways to not use styles used on earlier songs. If that isn't an option, I modify the style to suit the song... or resort to using a minor key theme for the work... if that is appropriate.

If money grew on trees... I would hire a demo house to do every one of my songs... but being broke and sitting on the side of the street with a tin cup is not what I'm seeking... LOL!

Keep on "keeping on" Zuki! It's okay.

All the best, ----Dave

If you are using intro 2, for example, on the 3X, you are arranging your own chords and ideas, etc. What's the difference in writing an original score and hiring a string section to fill in....same thing, imo.

I wrote a song called Soldier Boy. It was inspired by watching our son's boot camp ceremony at Paris Island (a while back). In the stands that day, my wife wrote the lyrics and I later put together the score.

I put in on garage band (for kicks) and it started out way in the 1000s and made the top 100 in play - it kept moving up.

I wrote the entire score and used my PSR3000 and a Roland style.
Maybe some day I'll put it up here, but that's a tall order with this group

Maybe because the style itself is not originally composed?

Soldier Boy, I think that was also a song by the Shirelles back in the 60's, ....If my memory is ok.....I loved it back then...

It's not the same song Lee by the Shirelles....?

Soldier Boy

And we now have Soulja Boy too..

https://www.youtube.com/user/souljaboy

IF I MAY ... TO TRY TO CLARIFY - and I am using Donny's quote only to clarify my responses ...

Below are the posts relative to what I believe has led to a misunderstanding of what I was trying to say:



As Rikki correctly surmised, Uncle Dave and I were answering Donny's question about 'composing' when playing an Arranger Keyboard ... If I'm playing "Misty" as a Bossa Nova, I'm not composing a song, but as UD said, I'm arranging someone else's composition ...
However, if I am using a style, multi pads, voices, whatever on an Arranger Keyboard to COMPOSE a song of MY OWN, then I am composing an original song ... So to those of you who have done so (including myself), fear not, YOUR songs are still original compositions ...
It certainly is not my intention to impugn the creative genius or reputation of anyone who writes his/her own music/lyrics regardless of what medium they are using to do so.

My apologies for any misleading statements and also for taking this thread further SOUTH !!!

Not that Soldier Boy, which I know about. I wrote my own Soldier Boy.

Hey t,

np my man - you're the best...…..let's all put our original work up here. Now that would be something! Arranger play or not

I'm getting old.....2 gig days are wearing this body out.

Here you go, zuki. Here's an original of mine called I Found Love. Keyboard is my old Korg i30 in Style Play with a style called Tikitikita (I think). It's a one take keyboard track and a one take vocal track. I added a bit of reverb to the vocal.

https://app.box.com/s/2olmqlsuvijfczl7ioh3/file/572396294513

Not working

Weird, Donny. It's working for me.

I got "This shared file or folder has been removed".

It's probably me, I'm not good at this stuff. Maybe try this one:

https://app.box.com/s/2olmqlsuvijfczl7ioh3/file/77710481

Same message ...

Hmm. Sorry, guys, I don't know what's up, then.

Working fine for me. "I Found Love".
It sounds great and the vocal is spot on.
You guys are obviously not holding your mouths right as you click.

Both links worked fine for me as well. Sounds great.

chas

Happy to hear you guys were able to hear it. And thank you for your kind comments.

It finally started to work this morning......

https://app.box.com/s/2olmqlsuvijfczl7ioh3/file/77710481

that said Thank you for sharing your work
Very upbeat and I love the "Sambaish style" well done
Hope to hear morn recent projects also.

take care

STILL getting the same message !

MY BAD !!! ... wouldn't work on my 'dumb' phone ... worked fine on my laptop ...
Very nice work ... Thank you

Tony, you gotta get rid of that old rotary phone .

chas

It's a Princess model.

And it conveniently hangs on the wall !!! And I can listen to the neighbor's conversations if I want ( you have to be OLD to remember that! ) ...

I don't remember that .

chas

Sure,and the local operator before dialing came in. I am really old.

My aunt was the operator. My mother worked at the bank; her number was 9. Ours was 370J. When we finally got a private line they dropped the J.
I can remember picking up the phone and saying "number nine please" and Aunt Mary said "Donny, your mom isn't there, she is at the post office." Incidentally the post office number was 1.
I'm still "Donny" in Oklahoma.

Fran still has his tin can, with the original string in it.



chas

Does that ever stir up old memories of the past. My little town had 1200 people(maybe including the cows),a simple good life.

You mean before a free phone from the phone company evolved into a $1000+ (iPhone) purchase? Yep, I remember THAT.

chas

BTW, are we posting here or texting?

chas

Definition of texting
: the act or activity of sending text messages from one cell phone to another

What is post? Webopedia Definition
To publish a message in an online forum or newsgroup

I report, you decide ...

WANTED: For hijacking thread. Chas, DonM, Bernie, Tony. No reward.

Who was Alexander Graham Polansky?
The first telephone pole.

Not Guilty, your honor. It was 'them other guys'.




Arrrrgggg! That would make even Henny Youngman cringe .

chas

GUILTY AS CHARGED !!!

This thread has gone so far SOUTH it's probably going North again ...

SO, who else is willing to post some original work ?

Glad you got to hear it, Donny and Tony. Appreciate your comments, guys.

I never wrote my own song yet.. But would like to.

Go to it ...

Any song I have written - there's only a few - have been about personal experiences ... The first was about that first heartbreak (age 16 yrs ) then they mostly had to do with my girlfriend/wife, and being written mostly in the early 60s, are of that genre - pretty much what I call 'bubblegum' songs, nothing in depth musically or lyrically ... I've never been able to just pick a subject and write about it - Mac Davis I'm NOT ...

Sweetwater has already written one for you.

Baby Can I Change My Mind--(Michael McDonald)



chas

I've written a lot of songs. I think the lyrics are good; I'm not very creative with the melodies.

Those I've heard have been very good ...

Nice, thank you 124 for sharing.

Thanks very much, Rikki. Be safe, there.

Thank you 124. I really enjoyed it. The arranger did not sound 'canned', as your choice fills were really good. I thought you sounded a bit like David Bowie in parts. Nice chord changes too. Really cool!

Thanks, zuki. Glad you enjoyed it. Hmm, David Bowie - well, it must be the accent. I'm from the general outer London, south-east England area originally.